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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Christian My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb? Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant? End of rant! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.213 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 18c0ce4cbca80559a8b22b14cd653174 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="313692494-126096575-1377100732=:59433" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2590 --313692494-126096575-1377100732=:59433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christian=0A=A0=0AMy secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, althou= gh I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR=A0SMT and PIC projects. My rant w= as that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but t= otally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the arti= cle. However I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead c= opy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM=A0PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did = publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is = rife on the Interweb?=A0=0A=A0=0AOh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew= what I meant?=0A=A0=0AEnd of rant!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFr= om: C. Groeger =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent:= Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A= =0A=0AHi Pete,=0AI was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-)=0A73,= df5qg=0A=0AChristian Groeger=0A=0AM0FMT schrieb:=0A=0A= >Hi all =0A>=A0=0A>This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a= frustrated constructor.......=0A>=A0=0A>"....=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>As with all co= nstruction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is that =A0the one = vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF = decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to ground.=A0=A0=0A>=0A>It is= IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction artic= le that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a ty= pical magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based pro= ject but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is=A0the so called editor= s have no construction experience and do not understand the significance of= what they are publishing. I=A0think peoples hearts sink when they look dow= n the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever. =0A>=0A>The=A0people who look at thes= e sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers otherwise th= ey wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would be busil= y designing there own code .... wouldn't they.=A0I have a G3--- =A0friend= =A0who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready mad= e. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SD= R projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of = the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he considers them black= magic.=A0Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based pr= ojects out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are ref= erred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating.= This sort of incomplete article can be=A0an ego trip for the writer with t= he publishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the mi= ddle of the schematic.=0A>=0A>So this mail is an appeal to you and all othe= r PIC based designers please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take = much space on a page and simple=A0for someone to scan the code and use word= recognition software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if n= ecessary.=A0Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs.=0A>= =0A>Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it= 's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising.=0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0F= MT IO91UX --313692494-126096575-1377100732=:59433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Christian
 
My secret is out, I confess I build tube= projects, although I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC= projects. My rant was that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. = Nicely lay out but totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code= to go with the article. However I have found another of his articles publi= sh which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few yea= rs ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb?&= nbsp;
 
Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you kn= ew what I meant?
 
End of rant!<= BR>
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: C. Groeger <aot.aot@gmx.de>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org
Sent: Wednesday= , 21 August 2013, 13:58
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs

Hi Pete,
I was thinking you're still wo= rking with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger

M0FMT &= lt;m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:

>Hi all
> 
&g= t;This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated const= ructor.......
> 
>"....
> 
>
>As wi= th all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is that &n= bsp;the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as = the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to ground. &= nbsp;
>
>It is IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air= that a construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted pa= per. The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in publishing the sc= hematic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and do= not understand the significance of what they are publishing. I think = peoples hearts sink when they look down the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.=
>
>The people who look at these sorts of articles are co= nstructor like me not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a constru= ction article at all, because they would be busily designing there own code= .... wouldn't they. I have a G3---  friend who is a great c= onstructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a prodigi= ous output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, nothing= with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the facility to be = found in a PIC based project but he considers them black magic. Becaus= e of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based projects out with = little concern if any one actually builds them they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This so= rt of incomplete article can be an ego trip for the writer with the pu= blishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the middle = of the schematic.
>
>So this mail is an appeal to you and all o= ther PIC based designers please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't ta= ke much space on a page and simple for someone to scan the code and us= e word recognition software to convert it along with a bit of manual editin= g if necessary. Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your des= igns.
>
>Sorry for the venting but just going through yet anoth= er "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising.
>=
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

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