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Content preview: Or if you want a slightly lighter read , try this http://www.google.com/patents/US4622558 G ) From: pat Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Warren Ziegler Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 LOTS_OF_MONEY Huge... sums of money X-Scan-Signature: b64e297c4577ad617411a4f8f6174ca7 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01CE7DB6.3AC63070" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1857 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CE7DB6.3AC63070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or if you want a slightly lighter read , try this = http://www.google.com/patents/US4622558 =20 G ) From: pat=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:11 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: Warren Ziegler=20 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna AND Warren, there are those who hold that the only place from which we = may observe our universe is from one of the other(s)! At this point in the narrative the little folk like me retreat deeply = into papers and books by the likes of Hawking and Penrose :>))) 73 On 10/07/13 20:06, Warren Ziegler wrote: Pat,=20 "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers = exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly = disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and = inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already = happened." -Douglas Adams On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, pat wrote: Of course, it also holds to be true that the "rest of the universe" = that is the "other plate" of my capacitor is also the "other plate" of = everyone else's similar capacitor and is the common circuit element to = which we are all referenced! 73=20 On 10/07/13 18:30, Pieter-Tjerk de Boer wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 05:58:44PM +1000, edgar wrote: Surely every conductor in the unit will have a difference in = potential due to being in a electromagnetic field. Even in the legs of the FET. Although the potential will be = extremely small. Yes, of course that's correct. I should have written that with a fiber optic cable instead of the = coaxial cable, all circuit elements are coupled to the field at _almost_ = the same place, and thus are at _almost_ the same potential, and thus = _almost_ no signal will come out: very much less than with the coax still in = place. B.t.w., some mini-whips are built using a metal can as the probe, = with the entire electronics inside the can; such an arrangement would = get quite close to zero output when the coax is replaced by the fiber = optics. Anyway, it was originally claimed that the functioning of the = mini-whip does not depend on the coaxial cable; I just intended to explain = why I think it does. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 =20 --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01CE7DB6.3AC63070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or if you  want a  slightly   lighter =  =20 read  , try  this      http://www.google.com/pa= tents/US4622558   
 
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From: pat
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:11 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Cc: Warren Ziegler
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip=20 antenna

AND Warren, there are those who hold that = the only=20 place from which we may observe our universe is from one of the=20 other(s)!

At this point in the narrative the little folk like me = retreat=20 deeply into papers and books by the likes of Hawking and Penrose=20 :>)))

73


On 10/07/13 20:06, Warren Ziegler = wrote:
Pat,=20
   "There is=20 a theory which states that if ever = anyone=20 discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, = it will=20 instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and = inexplicable. There is=20 another theory which states that this has already happened."
-Douglas=20 Adams


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:53 PM, pat <g4gvw@aol.com> wrote:
Of course, it also holds to be true that the "rest = of the=20 universe" that is the "other plate" of my capacitor is also the = "other=20 plate" of everyone else's similar capacitor and is the common = circuit=20 element to which we are all referenced!

73=20



On 10/07/13 18:30, Pieter-Tjerk de Boer wrote:
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 05:58:44PM +1000, edgar=20 wrote:

Surely every conductor in the unit will have a = difference in potential
due to being in a electromagnetic=20 field.
Even in the legs of the FET. Although the potential = will be=20 extremely small.
Yes, of course that's = correct.

I=20 should have written that with a fiber optic cable instead of the=20 coaxial
cable, all circuit elements are coupled to the field at = _almost_ the same
place, and thus are at _almost_ the same = potential,=20 and thus _almost_ no
signal will come out: very much less than = with the=20 coax still in place.

B.t.w., some mini-whips are built = using a=20 metal can as the probe, with
the entire electronics inside the = can;=20 such an arrangement would get
quite close to zero output when = the coax=20 is replaced by the fiber optics.

Anyway, it was originally = claimed=20 that the functioning of the mini-whip
does not depend on the = coaxial=20 cable; I just intended to explain why I
think it = does.

73,=20 Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM




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