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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, Today i just made some changes on the antenna. Now the dipole legs are aluminium foil on a plastic tube. Length is 30 cm (29cm on the side where the battery is connected, GND of the circuit) and diameter is 18mm. The forward current of the TX LED is about 15 mA. Some working point optimisations were done so the gain is a bit higher (not only due to the increased electrode capacity). I know, the signal voltage does NOT rise linearly with the capacity of the electrodes (thinking about the voltage between 2 parallel plates of a capacitor which is put in an external electrical field) but it allows to realise a RC lowpassfilter in a next step. New antenna: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/20130709_033824.jpg I can now do some /p experiments in the far field (for my local 630m transmissions) in a location without trees, houses.... 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Now the dipole legs are=20 aluminium foil on a plastic tube. Length is 30 cm (29cm on the side=20 where the battery is connected, GND of the circuit) and diameter is=20 18mm. The forward current of the TX LED is about 15 mA. Some working=20 point optimisations were done so the gain is a bit higher (not only due=20 to the increased electrode capacity). I know, the signal voltage does=20 NOT rise linearly with the capacity of the electrodes (thinking about=20 the voltage between 2 parallel plates of a capacitor which is put in an=20 external electrical field) but it allows to realise a RC lowpassfilter=20 in a next step. New antenna:=20 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/20130709_033824.jpg I can now do some /p experiments in the far field (for my local 630m=20 transmissions) in a location without trees, houses.... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 08.07.2013 03:31, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer: > Hi all, > > Well, somehow i didn't want to stop, so i now built the RX too:=20 > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20a= ctive%20dipole_RX.jpg=20 > I made some changes in the RX schematic, using a J310 instead of the=20 > BF862 but the principle schematic is the same. The working points look=20 > as expected. BTW that electrical/optic/electrical converter must be=20 > quite wide in the transferred frequency range, i guess starting from a=20 > few 100 Hz to a few 100 kHz. > > When connecting the BNC output to the scope, the noise shown from the=20 > scope does not change. When switching on the active probe there is=20 > some noise visible in the range of 2 ms/div. The probe stands in the=20 > lab where many noise sources can be expected. > > And suddenly!!! : It was 1:06 UTC. I am transmitting WSPR-2 each 6=20 > minutes on 630m, from the same building, in some 10m distance.=20 > *Suddenly there was a 472 kHz signal on the scope*, although the=20 > antenna can't work :-) The short dipole is completely floating. See=20 > another photo where the floating antenna is placed on a (isolating and=20 > low coupling capacity to sourroundings) cardboard:=20 > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/Signal%21.jpg > > When switching off the active antenna, the signal disappears=20 > completely on the scope, of course! > > When coming closer with my hand to one of the legs of the dipole or=20 > the battery, the signal rises, as expected. I think we can agree that=20 > this antenna IS floating!! > > So far for now. It's 3:26 AM and i think i should take some sleep :-)=20 > Looking forward to the tomorrows experiments. Let me know if you have=20 > suggestions for experiments! > > 73, GN, Stefan/DK7FC > > > Am 08.07.2013 02:11, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer: >> 3rd:=20 >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20= active%20dipole_TX3.jpg >> >> The optic cable is 9m long. >> >> Am 08.07.2013 02:04, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer: >>> another image of the TX:=20 >>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%2= 0active%20dipole_TX2.jpg >>> >>> Am 08.07.2013 01:59, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> OK, although it can't work (do you remember?!) i built an active=20 >>>> antenna with battery supply and fiber optic output. The active part=20 >>>> is a BF862=20 >>>> .=20 >>>> The circuit is quite simple:=20 >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%= 20active%20dipole%20schematic.jpg=20 >>>> It is a first idea for the schematic. Maybe i will change it later=20 >>>> so that the gate is shifted to 9V/2. Just for first experiments. In=20 >>>> various tests with the BF862 i found that it was necessary to add a=20 >>>> ferrite bead directly in front of the gate to prevent VHF=20 >>>> oscillations of the JFET. >>>> >>>> The TX is already working:=20 >>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%= 20active%20dipole_TX.jpg >>>> Yes yes yes, it is not truely symmetric and the capacity at source=20 >>>> must be a bit larger than that of the leg connected to gate. Anyway=20 >>>> it will be useful for some basic and interesting experiments. >>>> >>>> RX is ready tomorrow. >>>> >>>> 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------050602050508060709010805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id r691prRg007711 Hi all,

Today i just made some changes on the antenna. Now the dipole legs are aluminium foil on a plastic tube. Length is 30 cm (29cm on the side where the battery is connected, GND of the circuit) and diameter is 18mm. The forward current of the TX LED is about 15 mA. Some working point optimisations were done so the gain is a bit higher (not only due to the increased electrode capacity). I know, the signal voltage does NOT rise linearly with the capacity of the electrodes (thinking about the voltage between 2 parallel plates of a capacitor which is put in an external electrical field) but it allows to realise a RC lowpassfilter in a next step.
New antenna: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/= u/19882028/LF/20130709_033824.jpg
I can now do some /p experiments in the far field (for my local 630m transmissions) in a location without trees, houses....

73, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 08.07.2013 03:31, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
Hi all,

Well, somehow i didn't want to stop, so i now built the RX too: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1988202= 8/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20active%20dipole_RX.jpg I made some changes in the RX schematic, using a J310 instead of the BF862 but the principle schematic is the same. The working points look as expected. BTW that electrical/optic/electrical converter must be quite wide in the transferred frequency range, i guess starting from a few 100 Hz to a few 100 kHz.

When connecting the BNC output to the scope, the noise shown from the scope does not change. When switching on the active probe there is some noise visible in the range of 2 ms/div. The probe stands in the lab where many noise sources can be expected.

And suddenly!!! : It was 1:06 UTC. I am transmitting WSPR-2 each 6 minutes on 630m, from the same building, in some 10m distance. Suddenl= y there was a 472 kHz signal on the scope, although the antenna can't work :-) The short dipole is completely floating. See another photo where the floating antenna is placed on a (isolating and low coupling capacity to sourroundings) cardboard: h= ttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/LF/Signal%21.jpg

When switching off the active antenna, the signal disappears completely on the scope, of course!

When coming closer with my hand to one of the legs of the dipole or the battery, the signal rises, as expected. I think we can agree that this antenna IS floating!!

So far for now. It's 3:26 AM and i think i should take some sleep :-) Looking forward to the tomorrows experiments. Let me know if you have suggestions for experiments!

73, GN, Stefan/DK7FC


Am 08.07.2013 02:11, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
3rd: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/198820= 28/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20active%20dipole_TX3.jpg

The optic cable is 9m long.

Am 08.07.2013 02:04, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
another image of the TX: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/198820= 28/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20active%20dipole_TX2.jpg

Am 08.07.2013 01:59, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:
Hi all,

OK, although it can't work (do you remember?!) i built an active antenna with battery supply and fiber optic output. The active part is a BF862. The circuit is quite simple: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/= u/19882028/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20active%20dipole%20schematic.jpg It is a first idea for the schematic. Maybe i will change it later so that the gate is shifted to 9V/2. Just for first experiments. In various tests with the BF862 i found that it was necessary to add a ferrite bead directly in front of the gate to prevent VHF oscillations of the JFET.

The TX is already working: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1988202= 8/LF/DK7FC_fiber%20optic%20active%20dipole_TX.jpg
Yes yes yes, it is not truely symmetric and the capacity at source must be a bit larger than that of the leg connected to gate. Anyway it will be useful for some basic and interesting experiments.

RX is ready tomorrow.

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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