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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 06:01:17AM +0000, 間 幸久/JA5FP wrote: > So,it has no polarity and will be sensitive for E-field at its point. It is physically impossible that an antenna has no polarization. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.3 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: f38d515a9cad1e977fcfe251941a8120 Subject: Re: LF: VK1OD's analysis of the MiniWhip antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3134 On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 06:01:17AM +0000, =E9=96=93=E3=80=80=E5=B9=B8=E4=B9= =85/JA5FP wrote: > So,it has no polarity and will be sensitive for E-field at its point. It is physically impossible that an antenna has no polarization. Let me explain why, by describing a thought-experiment. Suppose you would have such an antenna which really has no polarization at all. Then put a transmitter some distance away from it. First let this transmitter be vertically polarized, and next horizontally. A non-polarized antenna should respond equally strongly in both cases, so the only difference can be a difference of phase; measure this phase difference. Next, transmit both vertically and horizontally at the same time, with a phase difference which is 180 degrees minus the difference that was measured in the previous step. The antenna's response to this must be the sum of the responses to the separate signals, and due to how we chose the phase difference, these responses will be equally large but opposite, so their sum is zero. In other words, this _combination_ of horizontal and vertical polarizatio= n, which can be a linear (diagonal) or circular polarization, is not received by the antenna, contradicting the claim that it receives all polarizations equally well. B.t.w., this is also an argument why a miniwhip consisting of say a metal sphere with an optical cable coming out of it, cannot work: the antenna is completely synnetric and has nothing which could determine its polarization, even though it must have one. 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM