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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Stefan, I have continued my optic feedline tests with the SFH757V as transmitter and a SFH250V as receiver. The latter was lashed up reverse biased to V+ and with a 56K resistor in series. From the junction of the resistor and the SFH250V a 10 nF capacitor was connected to the high impedance input of my standard mini-whip buffer amplifier. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [194.109.24.27 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: Re: MiniWhip antenna, fiber optic X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2809 Hello Stefan, I have continued my optic feedline tests with the SFH757V as transmitter and a SFH250V as receiver. The latter was lashed up reverse biased to V+ and with a 56K resistor in series. From the junction of the resistor and the SFH250V a 10 nF capacitor was connected to the high impedance input of my standard mini-whip buffer amplifier. The signal loss in a 1m long optic link at 500 kHz was about 10 dB; with a 19m long link this was 20 dB. The loss was flat between about 300 kHz and 1 MHz. Photo's of the test setup, optic receiver and optic mini-whip can be found on my web space: http://www.ndb.demon.nl/Optic%20mini-whip/ The optic mini-whip is a converted battery fed mini-whip. The circuit uses a SMD J310 with the SFH757V in the drain and a source resistor of 220 ohm. The gate is biased at half V+ via a resistor divider. Current draw is 24 mA. The antenna is a copper clad part of the PCB. The output is the same as my standard mini-whip antenna. Now the interesting part: on air tests. The antenna was mounted 5m high and a 19m long optic cable was used. It did not receive anything at all and at first I thought something was not working properly. Double checking everything did not reveal a fault, so the inevitable conclusion is that an optic link does not work with the mini-whip design. This agrees with the remarks sent by Pieter Tjerk de Boer to this list. The capacitances involved in the circut layout are probably so small that a proper dipole mode does not exist. As the box of the optic mini-whip has a loose BNC connector, a 5m long cable was connected to it. The shield of this cable was connected to a ground stake at the bottom of the mast. There appeared to be a small degree of coupling between the loose BNC connector and the circuit board ground as I could receive a weak signal from a semi local broadcast station at 828 kHz. The next step was to connect the ground lug of the BNC connector to the circuit board ground. The broadcaster produced now a signal level of - 54 dBm. With my standard mini-whip this is - 35 dBm. The difference of 19 dB agrees well with the loss of the optical link of 20 dB. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt