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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, > The feeder is 10mm diameter stainless steel. I guess it takes at least > 300A before it melts :-) So the limit would be the withstand voltage of > the ceramic isolator, even on MF :-) Brings back an old memory - from about 40 years ago. My boss and I were doing some routine maintenance on the power divider for a 3-tower AM 5kw broadcast array on 580 kHz. The box (circa 1939) had a fairly large coil for power division, and a couple of networks for matching and a part of the phasing. The big coil therefore had a bunch of taps, including one to short out some turns at the "hot" end. The short was done with an old piece of tinned braid, and its position had to be shifted a couple of times a year. 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I guess it takes at least > 300A before it melts :-) So the limit would be the withstand voltage of > the ceramic isolator, even on MF :-) Brings back an old memory - from about 40 years ago. My boss and I were doing some routine maintenance on the power divider for a 3-tower AM 5kw broadcast array on 580 kHz. The box (circa 1939) had a fairly large coil for power division, and a couple of networks for matching and a part of the phasing. The big coil therefore had a bunch of taps, including one to short out some turns at the "hot" end. The short was done with an old piece of tinned braid, and its position had to be shifted a couple of times a year. My boss remarked that the jumper (about 15 cm) was looking sort of ratty, so I suggested that we replace it with a solid copper strap. He remarked that he had always wanted to try a nice shiny piece of 1.2 cm stainless-steel "Wraplock" as an RF conductor. We had several rolls of it, used in securing conduits and cables to towers. So he cut off a length, drilled the needed holes, and we put it in place. Turned the rig on, and the current into the divider was normal. Then it started to drop. And drop. Killing the transmitter, we opened the cabinet, and found a nice black stainless steel jumper that was still very warm. We switched to copper, and all was fine. I'd guess that the current through the strap was around 10 Amps -- not sure after all these years. So, I'd suggest treating stainless-steel with caution as an RF power conductor! John, W1TAG