Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2E97E380000D4; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1UoeI8-0003nY-TC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:36:36 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1UoeI8-0003nP-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:36:36 +0100 Received: from nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.234]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UoeI5-0006i1-Tg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 19:36:34 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.229] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:36:32 -0000 Received: from [217.146.189.127] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:36:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jun 2013 18:36:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1371494192; bh=7STGnll2YrqtezG5JIREpOK4pcDWGKyKwfeWpCkMAuY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=nK9FtSN18BGA8q/xfbeGcooaZO7IPQFKTvb56A8GHawoJ8Bk2R8teGIcK0h1MnB6VtIMLHSQU+Ddi48+zl2QN8m1Kuw+xVdNEeRAviJQlgWtfUrYVyNE1AwYqZgG09jTG+32pD0C2lqWk/i+EAnEVmCTiO3t5fkTxICD+NnSoaI= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 679633.7516.bm@smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Lx0FTgEVM1m6yp4wdSD9jLgvhR5_hICrh2g2xVNoGprH66l CPb96dOch6TZ72cGkEp8nJUjkcIl7OY66HhnRYv.sAA1pGmqQ_9jXNhJNdRO ..BHtZy7m_LLey1QwWXLnJmbuvRd4GE4Zi5qee70I7KrbmZQNCNAJaSkziQ3 LRAVDjjyoB9XAbQ0qu5.2PX_0uUDI6a8uthDrW8As4O5Qr9FwWRhMAXveqmk 5P_aI1oaPNR1KmJJ8hPSEY67_6Fu0Dg9hjgY82EzFhAxzeCUn8qhqOYxT1ah G7TlYA1RyFAttIWSXCo8RT0BBv0sIg3p8urtHsBdAQXWLJnRCTlAui1BOzni QIJEKESN8Bg8P2BLAoQOx10k.ppJ4kzp_WTGU1f7XcCkuVkT6nxTWmSKuo2d _PW4Necu587_qshfWz99HQWIy2zXxgiBgNfPJDcS0TgmK.1.5qywPQchZXq4 F4l9A5.hR72hAKNWoek.9hOihZrD8c5EMwYm9YnrtjW43W_1Q1XJPfAk8Tef pnI.3VNI7f3vS5sKIS93x4Qds2lZfJUVJHMLuPPSrKvjJcrbL.ClKdzFYIIZ 4l9sutthVBNBFqvX4BxHFY50XNo9P5l5.ymz2lDXBksXDh3VLMHIX8794yeA w7GbJBN6Ylf9NcP0P2Lcwu57NJz5Yz6JohvlGSg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- X-Rocket-Received: from gnat (alan.melia@86.168.50.22 with login) by smtp830.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 11:36:32 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <041C5051F6E04ACDAD3DAC6252BABD52@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <51BF39F4.5050500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:34:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! 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The ionospheric effects at these higher frequencies are completely different to what happens below 500kHz [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.234 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64437c466041e93ffedda7fb96b22b71 Subject: LF: Re: LF propagation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408251bf578013e7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : temperror I think you have be carefull interpreting this paper....the term "LF" would seem to refer to low HF though my German is not good enough to understand it fully. The ionospheric effects at these higher frequencies are completely different to what happens below 500kHz There are so called "focussing" effects and effects due to ionospheric "tilt".....but there also other effects at LF. It is easy to be led astray relying perhaps only on amateur transmissions. I recollect over long periods the best times at 136kHz were either just after sunset, or just before dawn ....few good periods seemed to happen around dark period at the receive site (03:00 local time) Modern beacons and auto logging could definitely add to knowledge in this area. However there are also questions......nothing will be received if the transmitter has stopped transmitting, but it will look like poor propagation. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Schäfer" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 5:31 PM Subject: LF: LF propagation > Hi all, > > I just want to share this link, > http://www.vfo-magazin.de/1999/10/auswirkungen-der-sonnenfinsternis-auf-das-langwellenband/ > > There is a picture which shows nicely why the best S/N of a LF DX signal > is achieved just before the sunrise at the TX location, when the RX > station is in the west, as we can see daily in TA detections. If German is > not your language, just use google translate. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >