Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id F0C03380000A5; Wed, 1 May 2013 15:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1UXceW-00029P-3I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 20:25:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1UXceV-00029G-46 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 20:25:19 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([195.4.92.90]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UXceS-0005oB-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 20:25:17 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.142] (helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UXce7-0007Lw-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:24:55 +0200 Received: from localhost ([::1]:42303 helo=mjail2.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UXce7-0002YI-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:24:55 +0200 Received: from [195.4.92.26] (port=47171 helo=16.mx.freenet.de) by mjail2.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UXcc6-0000RX-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:22:50 +0200 Received: from blfd-4db0200e.pool.mediaways.net ([77.176.32.14]:1751 helo=[192.168.178.22]) by 16.mx.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (port 465) (Exim 4.80.1 #3) id 1UXcc5-0004bt-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 May 2013 21:22:50 +0200 Message-ID: <51816B89.3010304@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 01 May 2013 21:22:49 +0200 From: wolf_dl4yhf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801ce4658$d6573970$0502a8c0@acer> <179F4FCAD66E4B4AAB8D3C9828CD362B@Black> <001001ce4690$4bd5c9a0$0502a8c0@acer> <6BF0297884634BE6BDDC57B60E55CF0D@Black> In-Reply-To: <6BF0297884634BE6BDDC57B60E55CF0D@Black> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: By coincidence, the same signal ('VLF6' from Spenge near Bielefeld) was analysed here before the Ogg/Vorbis compression / decompression.... directly tapped off the local FM link... result: With a ~ 1 mHz, also no trace of Henny's signal. I may have been a bit too optimistic by selecting this FFT resolution.. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.90 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -2.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: df2e2c1e83972f6e42eeb17d78e70347 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8.270 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010708090405080405040604" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411551816c85194a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010708090405080405040604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By coincidence, the same signal ('VLF6' from Spenge near Bielefeld) was analysed here before the Ogg/Vorbis compression / decompression.... directly tapped off the local FM link... result: With a ~ 1 mHz, also no trace of Henny's signal. I may have been a bit too optimistic by selecting this FFT resolution.. All the best and thanks for supplying the test signal - will try again on the next occasion with a longer FFT window. 73, Wolf JO42FD . Btw, site of the 'natural radio' receiver ('VLF6') which streams to the internet via Paul Nicholson's server since a couple of years: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/vlf_reception/VLF_Receivers.html#VLF_remote_receiver_2 Am 01.05.2013 20:53, schrieb Markus Vester: > Henny, > thanks for leaving the power up this afternoon. I am quite aware of > the acoustical noise problem, the situation is very much the same > here. I have tried to cover the coil but the high voltage uplead to > the antenna seems to be beeping as well. > This afternoon I ran the 0.477 mHz VLF grabber here in Nuernberg, > unfortunately no trace here, maybe I started too late when the qrn was > already coming up. > In addition, I made an experiment to extract 0.477 mHz spectrograms > from Paul Nicholson's timestamped Ogg/Vorbis streams, fed by Paul in > Todmorden and Wolf in Spenge (rawtcp://67.207.139.49:4416 in stereo). > Their GPS-derived timing and samplerate are very accurate. Sharp > spectral lines could be obtained from the Alpha stations on 11.905 > kHz, so phase coherence miraculously seems to be preserved through the > audio compression process. Then today I tried to pick up > your carrier in both feeders but unfortunately no joy here either, yet. > However I have to say listening to the streams is well worth it > anyway, you'll be rewarded by numerous tweeks and occasional whistlers > tonight. > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* henny > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:21 PM > *Subject:* LF: Re: Re: Re: 8.270 Khz > > Hello Marcus, > I have to make an appointment with the neighbours,they can here the > 8.270 khz tone ,so transmit maybee once in a month or so,now i will > transmit till 20:00 Utc. > henny pa3cpm > best 73's > ps,maybee reduce the power will help... > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Markus Vester > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:03 PM > *Subject:* LF: Re: Re: 8.270 Khz > > No, please don't reduce power, other's are trying to see you as > well... > 73, Markus > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* PA1SDB, Peter > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:26 PM > *Subject:* LF: Re: 8.270 Khz > > Time to QRP 50% Henny. > Lets see if that works to! > Daily visible here, also rightnow. > 73's, Peter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* henny > *To:* blacksheep > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:44 AM > *Subject:* LF: 8.270 Khz > > Hello LF, > I am testing again the TX on 8.270 Khz > antenna current 0,6 amp,antenna sloper 14 meter, > henny pa3cpm jo-22-md > best 73's to All... > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6286 - Release Date: > 04/30/13 > --------------010708090405080405040604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
By coincidence, the same signal ('VLF6' from Spenge near Bielefeld) was analysed here before the Ogg/Vorbis compression / decompression.... directly tapped off the local FM link... result: With a ~ 1 mHz, also no trace of Henny's signal. I may have been a bit too optimistic by selecting this FFT resolution..

All the best and thanks for supplying the test signal - will try again on the next occasion with a longer FFT window.

73,
  Wolf JO42FD .

Btw, site of the 'natural radio' receiver ('VLF6') which streams to the internet via Paul Nicholson's server since a couple of years:

http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/vlf_reception/VLF_Receivers.html#VLF_remote_receiver_2



Am 01.05.2013 20:53, schrieb Markus Vester:
Henny,
 
thanks for leaving the power up this afternoon. I am quite aware of the acoustical noise problem, the situation is very much the same here. I have tried to cover the coil but the high voltage uplead to the antenna seems to be beeping as well.
 
This afternoon I ran  the 0.477 mHz VLF grabber here in Nuernberg, unfortunately no trace here, maybe I started too late when the qrn was already coming up.
 
In addition, I made an experiment to extract 0.477 mHz spectrograms from Paul Nicholson's timestamped Ogg/Vorbis streams, fed by Paul in Todmorden and Wolf in Spenge (rawtcp://67.207.139.49:4416 in stereo). Their GPS-derived timing and samplerate are very accurate. Sharp spectral lines could be obtained from the Alpha stations on 11.905 kHz, so phase coherence miraculously seems to be preserved through the audio compression process. Then today I tried to pick up your carrier in both feeders but unfortunately no joy here either, yet.
 
However I have to say listening to the streams is well worth it anyway, you'll be rewarded by numerous tweeks and occasional whistlers tonight.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----
From: henny
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 7:21 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: 8.270 Khz

Hello Marcus,
I have to make an appointment with the neighbours,they can here the 8.270 khz tone ,so transmit maybee once in a month or so,now i will transmit till 20:00 Utc.
 
henny pa3cpm
best 73's
 
ps,maybee reduce the power will help...
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 3:03 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: 8.270 Khz

No, please don't reduce power, other's are trying to see you as well...
 
73, Markus
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 8.270 Khz

Time to QRP 50% Henny.
Lets see if that works to!
 
Daily visible here, also rightnow.
 
73's, Peter.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: henny
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: LF: 8.270 Khz

Hello LF,
I am testing again the TX on 8.270 Khz
antenna current 0,6 amp,antenna sloper 14 meter,
henny pa3cpm  jo-22-md
best 73's to All...

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2904 / Virus Database: 3162/6286 - Release Date: 04/30/13


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