Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EEBCD38000268; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1UVmLF-0002qh-Ju for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:21:49 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1UVmLE-0002qY-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:21:48 +0100 Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UVmLC-00064B-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:21:47 +0100 Received: by mail-ob0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ef5so3680966obb.8 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:21:24 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=pNHCQ0AIqrO4eDI4DM2cHEth4f6qWH9GzJDIC2PEXXM=; b=kCrS3F20LyzT6RTSJUJVzurAM912yqqFWPlWEOWRQVzXiL3Vmwk6VA3GaTHwkWagtV i7EypriYU0x7VR5ItRVf6TErzRKs65Y8qK3yH58f5BP8kPWPA1/GKpLobajag+jboQaZ lMM1MLY1TEyXo3p3zmT3rJyFLPE0LH2CY8uMhbxaP6+z/rBYBFYpouysJKJ3/nB8b3Uw ucFYxUfFplufIiPv9x4Yyo4cjIyw8aNxMp0lfLUKSioaih2yCUI7sU3BZZmuWNFUijEV IUCJouxSOmZoybb36MnvQ4Fo3MFL+zIXsNgjaW99AWyGhfOv2ySbYAVflOmuZhrkj0Xd 6w7Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.33.105 with SMTP id q9mr21909249oei.54.1366996884068; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.135.199 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:21:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just a quick report on a failure mode for LF TX antennas. Last Fall my original TX loop made up of approximately 500 feet of RG-11 coax suspended from trees went open circuit (both center conductor and shield), some time later part of the wire actually came down. I had thought that abrasion from contact with the trees had eventually worn through it. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.214.177 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 1c38f63d01970a2bf149f660c9cb2a37 Subject: LF: Fire in the wire Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01229c30af1e1b04db46c3dc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-df02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d6517ab8120378 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --089e01229c30af1e1b04db46c3dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just a quick report on a failure mode for LF TX antennas. Last Fall my original TX loop made up of approximately 500 feet of RG-11 coax suspended from trees went open circuit (both center conductor and shield), some time later part of the wire actually came down. I had thought that abrasion from contact with the trees had eventually worn through it. What I found was a little more interesting. Looking at the downed end, it appeared that the insulation had melted for a considerable distance and there were burn marks further up the cable. My hypothesis is that the outer insulation was abraded away and the coax shield came into contact with the tree limb causing the burning/melting. Will try to get some pictures this weekend and put them up on my website. Long term if one wants to operate at the kW level either better insulation or a better way of supporting the antenna than trees would be required! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --089e01229c30af1e1b04db46c3dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a quick report on a failu= re mode for LF TX antennas.
Last Fall my original TX loop made up= of approximately 500 feet of RG-11 coax suspended from trees went open cir= cuit (both center conductor and shield), some time later part of the wire a= ctually came down. I had thought that abrasion from contact with the trees = had eventually worn through it.

What I found was a little more interesting. Looking at = the downed end, it appeared that the insulation had melted for a considerab= le distance and there were burn marks further up the cable. My hypothesis i= s that the outer insulation was abraded away and the coax shield came into = contact with the tree limb causing the burning/melting.=A0
Will try to get some pictures this weekend and put them up on my websi= te.

Long term if one wants to operate at the kW le= vel either better insulation or a better way of supporting the antenna than= trees would be required!

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73 Warren K2ORS
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