Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8819E38000097; Sat, 2 Mar 2013 06:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1UBkR9-00029y-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:17:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1UBkR9-00029p-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:17:07 +0000 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1UBkR7-00016O-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:17:06 +0000 Received: from AGB ([2.26.47.75]) by mwinf5d57 with ME id 6bGh1l0031dKinW03bGh8F; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:16:44 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <511E9DBE.7050108@mbsks.franken.de> <1362086570.254404.31316.19832@saddam3.rambler.ru> <51307C4D.4020506@mbsks.franken.de> <5130A910.80303@freenet.de> <5131CE67.2040001@psk31.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5131CE67.2040001@psk31.plus.com> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:16:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ok Ed, There are some big signals about now , as for the de-sense , you look to be reasonably in the clear , but if you check the station in the deep south and the next one north , you can see very few stations listed , where as a touch up the map , the numbers ramp up quite quickly [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 40cd937fc1c5e6338b07d288cd09d087 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CE1737.69E15BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb5131e0117722 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CE1737.69E15BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Ed, There are some big signals about now , as for the de-sense , = you look to be reasonably in the clear , but if you check the = station in the deep south and the next one north , you can see = very few stations listed , where as a touch up the map , the = numbers ramp up quite quickly=20 Actually the G3PLX system was far more suited to this , with a short = carrier burst , very green ! 73 -G From: g3zjo=20 Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:03 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m On 01/03/2013 14:54, Graham wrote:=20 An interesting thing=20 With so many wspr stations running , why in the last week are = there only 2 stations showing as decoded in the USA , and non = other than we2xgr (who has a valid reason) , Im sure in the past , = there was a much higher number of TA decodes with less stations Lack of big boys.? Q Is it true , there is a carrier-in-pass band de-sensing problem = with the wspr decode ? Not as I have noticed, if you look at my grabber, there is QRSS using = WSPR tones pretty strong adjacent to M1GEO (and others when they are on) = makes no difference at all. This can also be a carrier. Of course a huge = signal can de-sense the RX. Ed The large ground wave radius on MF has caused problems with = other modes in the past=20 G.. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CE1737.69E15BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Ed,
 
There  are some big  signals   about now  = ,=20 as  for the  de-sense   , you  look  = to =20 be  reasonably  in the  clear   , but  if = you =20 check the  station in the  deep  south  and the next = one  north  , you  can see  very  few stations=20 listed  , where  as a  touch  up  the  map = ,=20 the  numbers  ramp up  quite  quickly
 
Actually  the  G3PLX system was far more suited to  = this ,=20 with a  short carrier  burst , very green  !
 
 
 
73 -G
 

From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:03 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m

On 01/03/2013 14:54, Graham wrote:=20
An interesting  thing
 
With  so many  wspr   stations  running = , =20 why in the  last week  are there  only  2 =20 stations  showing as  decoded in  the  USA , and = non other=20 than  we2xgr  (who has a valid reason)  , Im = sure  in=20 the  past , there  was a much  higher   = number =20 of  TA decodes  with  less =20 stations
Lack of big boys.?
 
Q Is it  true , there  is a  carrier-in-pass  = band  de-sensing problem with the  wspr  decode =20 ?
Not as I have noticed, if you look at my = grabber, there=20 is QRSS using WSPR tones pretty strong adjacent to M1GEO (and others = when they=20 are on) makes no difference at all. This can also be a carrier. Of = course a huge=20 signal can de-sense the RX.

Ed
 
The  large  ground wave  radius on MF has = caused =20 problems  with  other modes  in the  past
 
G..
 


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