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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan, ''not over the long and deep QSB of course''. Unless 'of course' the modes was profiled for MF usage , in which case the interleaving is long enough to ride out the qsb , [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: d7e11363ac319cfd7f6e42df098e1b8e Subject: Re: LF: 630m Narrow Keyboard Mode Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CE20B7.6233A9A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60585141da217fef X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CE20B7.6233A9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, ''not over the long and deep QSB of course''. Unless 'of course' the modes was profiled for MF usage , in which = case the interleaving is long enough to ride out the qsb ,=20 long interleave and low s/n , but at the loss of speed are the = only suitable modes for mf conditions , in terms of message handling = , packet like systems can make good use of the qsb .... good = results have been obtained using fldigi and the 'email system' = where a message was 'delivered to' a distant station , the = problem being , that each station has to be in range of each other=20 ax25l Packet , where connects can be made via other stations , = would work quite nicely , im sure this was tried , long ago , but I = note multi-psk has a 100 baud packet option , also psk option , = but that would have limited access to mf=20 What would the route be to you from here some thing like ? C dk7fk via g4wgt , g3kev =20 C dk7fc via g3xiz , [ some one east coast] pa0a =20 73-G.=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:50 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: 630m Narrow Keyboard Mode Eddie,=20 Am 13.03.2013 21:29, schrieb g3zjo:=20 If I am around using GMFSK I will be on 476.100. Getting more people = interested so that there is a possibility of random QSO's, err, I will = leave that to you.=20 OK, i will follow the thread. It could be useful to find a mode that allows 2 way communication in = summer, when the QRN crashes make CW operation not a pleasure. Just a = thought... Ah yes, and the FEC stuff could help to jump over the QRN crashes, not = over the long and deep QSB of course. 73, Stefan 73 Eddie P.S. Mal, yes missing him already.=20 PPS. I had my first QRSS3 QSO today with G4AYT 167Km daytime path, not = random though. On 13/03/2013 14:53, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=20 Hi Eddie, LF/MF, I'm a bit confused in the last days by the number of various = digimodes which have been tested. Gary started with RTTY which is fun = and allows real QSOs on 630m, apart from CW. But if each mode is done as = a short test to check its performance, then it quickly becomes boring. = What i would like to have is a mode which is used by several active = amateurs, a real QSO mode like CW. A mode that lasts longer than a day. = I thought that AMTOR-FEC could be useful but i didn't make any tests = yet. However if i have to assume that there will be 2 or 3 interested = QSO partners who will be available for a short test QSO and then QSY to = GADFDSMSFASKMDKFK-4 or whatever, then none of these modes are actually = interesting for me and i come back to CW where i can be sure to find a = QSO partner without announcing my activity before. Today, tomorrow, next = week and next year :-) What do you suggest? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: And where is Mal? :-) Am 11.03.2013 23:52, schrieb g3zjo:=20 Sucess. Just a little more signal and this would have been a really good = QSO over our path of 127Km conditions are not good tonight, my antenna = current is down. Eddie On 11/03/2013 21:53, g3zjo wrote:=20 LF Searching for a Narrow Keyboard QSO mode suitable for QRP on = 630m. I went back to a program I used several years ago. Currently Testing GMFSK not to be confused with gMFSK which is a = Linux program. GMFSK is an FSK Mode using Varicode by JE3HHT Makoto Mori = included in MMVari.not new program it is of the usual high standard = found in his software. GMFSK has variable width, currently I am running at 15.625Hz = wide. 474.200 Dial 1900 tone frequency. JE3HHT provides fine documentation with his software, for some = reason all the other modes covered by MMVari are well covered but when = he gets to GMFSK he says that it is beyond the scope of the = instructions. I have yet to find more details about the mode.=20 This Mode should be better than RTTY and faster MFSK for higher = power stations too. 73 Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CE20B7.6233A9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan,
 
 ''not over the long and deep QSB of course''.

Unless = 'of=20 course'  the  modes was  profiled for  MF usage , in = which=20 case  the  interleaving  is  long enough to  = ride out=20 the  qsb ,
 
long  interleave  and  low s/n , but  at = the =20 loss  of  speed are  the  only suitable modes = for  mf=20 conditions ,  in terms of  message handling , packet  = like =20 systems   can make good use of the  qsb  .... =20 good  results  have been  obtained using  = fldigi =20 and the  'email system' where  a message  was  = 'delivered=20 to'  a  distant  station , the =20 problem  being , that  each station has to  be  = in=20 range of each other
 
ax25l Packet , where  connects  can be  made = via =20 other  stations  , would  work  quite  = nicely , im=20 sure this  was tried , long ago , but  I note multi-psk = has =20 a  100  baud  packet  option ,  also  = psk =20 option  , but that  would have  limited  access = to  mf=20
 
What  would  the  route  be  to  = you =20 from  here  some thing  like ?
 
C dk7fk  via  g4wgt , g3kev  
 
C  dk7fc  via  g3xiz  , [ some  = one=20 east  coast]  pa0a  
 
73-G.

From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:50 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: 630m Narrow Keyboard Mode

Eddie,

Am 13.03.2013 21:29, schrieb g3zjo:=20
If = I am=20 around using GMFSK I will be on 476.100. Getting more people = interested so=20 that there is a possibility of random QSO's, err, I will leave that to = you.=20
OK, i will follow the thread.

It could be = useful to find=20 a mode that allows 2 way communication in summer, when the QRN crashes = make CW=20 operation not a pleasure. Just a thought...
Ah yes, and the FEC stuff = could=20 help to jump over the QRN crashes, not over the long and deep QSB of=20 course.

73, Stefan




73=20 Eddie

P.S. Mal, yes missing him already.

PPS. I had my = first=20 QRSS3 QSO today with G4AYT 167Km daytime path, not random=20 though.



On 13/03/2013 14:53, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote:=20
Hi=20 Eddie, LF/MF,

I'm a bit confused in the last days by the = number of=20 various digimodes which have been tested. Gary started with RTTY = which is=20 fun and allows real QSOs on 630m, apart from CW. But if each mode is = done as=20 a short test to check its performance, then it quickly becomes = boring. What=20 i would like to have is a mode which is used by several active = amateurs, a=20 real QSO mode like CW. A mode that lasts longer than a day. I = thought that=20 AMTOR-FEC could be useful but i didn't make any tests yet. However = if i have=20 to assume that there will be 2 or 3 interested QSO partners who will = be=20 available for a short test QSO and then QSY to GADFDSMSFASKMDKFK-4 = or=20 whatever, then none of these modes are actually interesting for me = and i=20 come back to CW where i can be sure to find a QSO partner without = announcing=20 my activity before. Today, tomorrow, next week and next year = :-)

What=20 do you suggest? :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: And where is = Mal?=20 :-)


Am 11.03.2013 23:52, schrieb g3zjo:=20
Sucess.

Just a little more signal and this = would have=20 been a really good QSO over our path of 127Km conditions are not = good=20 tonight, my antenna current is down.

Eddie

On = 11/03/2013=20 21:53, g3zjo wrote:=20
LF

Searching for a Narrow = Keyboard=20 QSO mode suitable for QRP on 630m. I went back to a program I = used=20 several years ago.

Currently Testing GMFSK not to be = confused=20 with gMFSK which is a Linux program.

GMFSK is an FSK Mode = using=20 Varicode by JE3HHT Makoto Mori included in MMVari.not new = program it is=20 of the usual high standard found in his software.

GMFSK = has=20 variable width, currently I am running at 15.625Hz wide. 474.200 = Dial=20 1900 tone frequency.

JE3HHT provides fine documentation = with his=20 software, for some reason all the other modes covered by MMVari = are well=20 covered but when he gets to GMFSK he says that it is = beyond the=20 scope of the instructions. I have yet to find more details about = the=20 mode.

This = Mode=20 should be better than RTTY and faster MFSK for higher power = stations=20 too.

73 Eddie=20 = G3ZJO



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