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Content preview: No , its a JR production phase-cont mfsk the best we had was a windows interface , but that went some time back , stuck with the windows app now From: Minto Witteveen Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 17acae084404f211678801ec6cbf7d97 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0214_01CE19C3.8C347BD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d513625eb0e44 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01CE19C3.8C347BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No , its a JR production phase-cont mfsk the best we had was a = windows interface , but that went some time back , stuck with the = windows app now=20 From: Minto Witteveen=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission Oh my bad. I know Amtor is fsk, but thought that ros-mf is non-lineair = like PSK31. Learning all the time. Is the protocoll open-source so I can understand = it and program it in my PIC? I know, I know... will look it up myself :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse From: Graham=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 17:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission Linear ? amtor fec is 2 tone fsk mode ... ros-mf is mfsk , = but needs sdr or audio to Rf translation , very few have linear = tx paths on MF/LF ,=20 G. From: Minto Witteveen=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:33 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission Yes Amtor might also be interesting to look into. And I=E2=80=99ll stick with FSK modes only for the time being, lineair = modes are not an option with my PIC+DDS9850 TX for now... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse From: Graham=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 17:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RTTY test transmission S.. Good level to see if amtor fec has any advantage ? its in = multipsk .. but no idea how to expand the beacon text ! If the level at tween is -7 ? then a day time test of mf-2 = should decode in the UK . good chance to Shetland as well if the = signal is similar to the OP4 test last July =20 Will take a look later=20 73 -G. From: Minto Witteveen=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:59 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RTTY test transmission Hi Stefan, I can decode you through Twente WebSDR, abt 50% copy right now. = I=E2=80=99m sure this will get to a solid copy later tonight. My own sig is not much better, and I am _much_ closer to Twente... :-( 73=E2=80=99s Minto pa3bca -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 15:14 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: RTTY test transmission Eddie, LF,=20 I just learned how to program a beacon transmission and now i'm running = a test transmission in RTTY 50 Baud and 85 Hz shift on 478.2 kHz (ish). = Will do some tests via Twente WEB SDR now. It's still daytime so the = signal may still be down.=20 Picture from local grabber RX attached (antenna disconnected).=20 Try to catch it :-) I would like to do some QSOs later, if someone is strong enough and = willing. 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 05.03.2013 12:24, schrieb Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer:=20 Hi Eddie, LF, Am 04.03.2013 20:43, schrieb g3zjo:=20 We make do with Windows, but it isn't perfect. In fact, Windows = computers can be extremely annoying. They're full of all sorts of = annoying features that just get in our way and slow us down, distracting = us from getting work done or doing whatever else we want to do. We'll = help you disable some of the worst Windows annoyances. My sentiments entirely and one day it has to go to be replaced by = something modern. Just mentioned in passing no debates please. :-)=20 OK :-) Now, are you prepared to listen for me? This evening i would like = to make a QSO, if this is possible. However the data rate is quite high = so i assume you need a relative high power to keep the error rate low. Yes I will listen for you no problem, let me know on here when you = want to try. Yes the data bits do not stay long in the same place so it = is for you QRO guys or short distance and medium distance with lifts for = the QRP'rs. I slept in very early last evening, sorry, so i missed to do a test on = air last night. But today! Which baud rate and frequency shift is recommended and which = frequency? Follow Gary and be compatible seems sensible, Baud rate used is 50 = shift 85 Hz QRG 478.200KHz set you baud rate and shift in Menu - MODE - = RTTY - Opions at the bottom of the list. RRRR. I will do so :-) 73, cul, Stefan PS: Is there a possibility to run a beacon message in that program? It = is quite intuitive but i didn't find that function. I look forward to seeing you sigs. 73 Eddie=20 73, Stefan/DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01CE19C3.8C347BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No , its a  JR production   phase-cont  =20 mfsk   the best we  had  was a  windows = interface , but=20 that  went  some  time  back  , stuck  = with=20 the  windows app  now

From: Minto Witteveen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission

Oh my bad. I know Amtor is fsk, but thought that ros-mf is = non-lineair like=20 PSK31.
Learning all the time. Is the protocoll open-source so I can = understand it=20 and program it in my PIC?
I know, I know... will look it up myself :-)
 
 
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Ceterum=20 censeo Carthaginem delendam esse
 
From: Graham
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 17:49
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY test = transmission
 
Linear  ?  amtor  fec  is  2 = tone  =20 fsk  mode  ... ros-mf  is  mfsk  , but=20 needs   sdr or  audio to  Rf translation  , = very=20 few  have  linear tx paths  on MF/LF  ,
G.
 
 
From: Minto Witteveen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:33 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Re: RTTY test transmission
 
Yes Amtor might also be interesting to look into.
And I=E2=80=99ll stick with FSK modes only for the time being, = lineair modes are=20 not an option with my PIC+DDS9850 TX for now...
 
 
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Ceterum=20 censeo Carthaginem delendam esse
 
From: Graham
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 17:19
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RTTY test transmission
 
S..
 
Good  level  to  see  if amtor  =20 fec   has  any  advantage ?  its  in=20 multipsk   .. but  no idea how to  expand the  = beacon=20 text !
 
If  the  level  at  tween  is -7 ? =20 then  a  day  time  test of  mf-2  = should =20 decode in the  UK  . good  chance to   = Shetland =20 as well  if the  signal  is similar to the   = OP4 =20 test  last  July 
 
Will  take a look  later
 
73 -G.
 
From: Minto Witteveen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:59 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: RTTY test transmission
 
Hi Stefan,
 
I can decode you through Twente WebSDR, abt 50% copy right now. = I=E2=80=99m sure=20 this will get to a solid copy later tonight.
My own sig is not much better, and I am _much_ closer to Twente...=20 :-(
 
 
73=E2=80=99s Minto pa3bca
 
 
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Ceterum=20 censeo Carthaginem delendam esse
 
From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 15:14
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: RTTY test transmission
 
Eddie,=20 LF,

I just learned how to program a beacon transmission and now = i'm=20 running a test transmission in RTTY 50 Baud and 85 Hz shift on 478.2 kHz = (ish).=20 Will do some tests via Twente WEB SDR now. It's still daytime so the = signal may=20 still be down.
Picture from local grabber RX attached (antenna=20 disconnected).

Try to catch it :-)

I would like to do = some QSOs=20 later, if someone is strong enough and willing.

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC


Am 05.03.2013 12:24, schrieb Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer:=20
Hi=20 Eddie, LF,

Am 04.03.2013 20:43, schrieb g3zjo:=20

We make do with Windows, but it isn't = perfect.=20 In fact, Windows computers can be extremely annoying. They're full = of all=20 sorts of annoying features that just get in our way and slow us = down,=20 distracting us from getting work done or doing whatever else we = want to=20 do. We'll help you disable some of the worst Windows=20 annoyances.
My sentiments entirely and one day it = has to go=20 to be replaced by something modern.
Just mentioned in passing no = debates=20 please. :-) =
OK=20 :-)


Now, are you prepared to listen for me? This = evening i=20 would like to make a QSO, if this is possible. However the data = rate is=20 quite high so i assume you need a relative high power to keep the = error=20 rate low.
Yes I will listen for you no problem, = let me know=20 on here when you want to try. Yes the data bits do not stay long in = the same=20 place so it is for you QRO guys or short distance and medium = distance with=20 lifts for the QRP'rs.
I slept in very early last = evening,=20 sorry, so i missed to do a test on air last night. But today!


Which baud rate and frequency shift is = recommended and=20 which frequency?
Follow Gary and be compatible = seems=20 sensible, Baud rate used is 50 shift 85 Hz QRG 478.200KHz set you = baud rate=20 and shift in Menu - MODE - RTTY - Opions at the bottom of the=20 list.
RRRR.
I will do so :-)

73, cul,=20 Stefan

PS: Is there a possibility to run a beacon message in = that=20 program? It is quite intuitive but i didn't find that = function.



I look=20 forward to seeing you sigs.

73 Eddie

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC


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