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Content preview: Any qrg can be used , but the encoded qrg will remain at 477 KHz usb , its not reasonable that a beacon is sited in the middle of the band and as such Opera mode has occupied dial set 477 from the start [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: dbfcc27a21e9e888d454ffd0e5adf99c Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01CE1671.8F6576B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600a51309a9c5963 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CE1671.8F6576B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any qrg can be used , but the encoded qrg will remain at 477 KHz = usb , its not reasonable that a beacon is sited in the middle of = the band and as such Opera mode has occupied dial set 477 from the = start=20 The reason for the mid band is the usa uses a odd-ball qrg and = TA activity was anticipated , however in the next months this = will reduce to a minimum level if any , and the qrg then becomes = academic , and should USA be allocated 477 , then the wspr qrg = will be re located to the band edges , no band plan will place a = beacon mid , band and such a plan will form part of some regions = licensing conditions .=20 Wspr 2 and Opera 4/8 coexisted on the same qrg , however the = wspr 15 , now overlaps , as to the benefits other than close in = low s/n wspr 15 on MF is debatable , OP16 mode was tested and = found not to be suitable , =20 For the purpose of testing Opera performance will not be = affected by carriers in the pass band , however the reverse may = not be found to be true,=20 73-G. From: Roland Bruestle=20 Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:00 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m Hello Roman, this is a good idea. The question is, shall we Change the WSPR frequencies to Opera = frequencies or opposite. The frequency for WSPR with 474.2kHz is already used in Europe and US.=20 WSPR15 should be together with WSPR2 for the reason someone wonts to = test the difference between WSPR15 to WSPR2. So I would wish that the Opera frequency would be shifted to the dial = frequency of 472kHz. 73 Roland DL3NDR Am 28.02.2013 22:22, schrieb Roman RW3ADB: Hi Roland, LF! I was out of MF 16 feb, excuse. May be trying MF tomorrow night? What do you say about idea use a one dial freq for wsrp-15 and Op8? This is double own chance to RX here. Roman RW3ADB. Sat Feb 16 2013 00:46:31 GMT+0400 (Local Standard Time) = =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C = Roland Bruestle (r@mbsks.franken.de) = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: Hi Roman, yes I made a pause yesterday. I am active now with WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX 475.817 kHz = (1.67kHz). Good luck Gru=C3=9F Roland DL3NDR Am 14.02.2013 05:27, schrieb Roman RW3ADB: Hi Roland, LF! I monitor WSPR-15 yesterday, but nothing. Hope to any activity tomorrow. For info: = http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2013/20130213_475khz_QRM/20130213_WSPR15_475khz.01= .JPG Local QRM on 475 khz here. The problem with automatical upload spots is not resolve. May be who is know whats ports used by new WSPR prog for upload? I can try to open it on the router. The other question to all. The freq's for OPERA and other digi modes vy nearby on the some HF = bands. This is to get a choice to monitor two mode at once. Will be good to cooperate OPERA and WSPR-15 into nearby pass bands = w/o the local QRM on 630m. Roman RW3ADB. Mon Feb 11 2013 23:33:10 GMT+0400 (Local Standard Time) = =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C = Roland Bruestle (r@mbsks.franken.de) = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB: Hallo, MW-friends, I am still transmitting WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX 475.817 = kHz (1.67kHz). I hope that I have solved the with my signal. The reason was the = USB-Soundkard. Good luck. 73 Roland DL3NDR ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01CE1671.8F6576B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any  qrg  can be used , but  = the =20 encoded   qrg  will  remain at 477 KHz usb ,  = its not=20 reasonable that  a  beacon is sited  in the  middle = of=20 the  band and as such Opera mode has occupied  dial set = 477  from=20 the  start
 
The  reason  for the  = mid =20 band  is  the  usa uses a odd-ball   qrg =20 and  TA activity  was  anticipated  , however in = the =20 next  months  this  will  reduce to  a =20 minimum  level  if any , and the  qrg  then =20 becomes  academic , and  should USA be allocated 477 , = then =20 the  wspr  qrg  will  be re located  to  = the =20 band  edges  , no band plan will  place a  beacon = mid ,=20 band  and  such a  plan  will  form  part = of=20 some  regions   licensing  conditions . =
 
Wspr   2  and Opera =20 4/8   coexisted   on the  same   qrg  = ,=20 however the  wspr 15 , now  overlaps , as  to  = the =20 benefits  other than  close in  low s/n   wspr = 15 =20 on  MF is debatable  , OP16 mode was  tested =20 and  found  not to  be suitable ,   =
 
For  the  purpose of  = testing =20 Opera  performance will  not  be  affected  = by =20 carriers  in the  pass  band , however  the  = reverse=20 may not be  found to  be true,
 
73-G.
 
 
 

From: Roland Bruestle
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:00 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 on 630m

Hello Roman,
this is a good idea.
The = question=20 is, shall we Change the WSPR frequencies to Opera frequencies or=20 opposite.
The frequency for  WSPR with 474.2kHz is already used = in=20 Europe and US.
WSPR15 should be together with WSPR2 for the reason = someone=20 wonts to test the difference between WSPR15 to WSPR2.
So I would wish = that=20 the Opera frequency would be shifted  to the dial frequency of=20 472kHz.

73
Roland DL3NDR


Am 28.02.2013 22:22, = schrieb Roman=20 RW3ADB:

Hi Roland, LF!

I was out of MF 16 feb, excuse.

May be trying MF tomorrow night?

What do you say about idea use a one dial freq for wsrp-15 and = Op8?

This is double own chance to RX here.

Roman RW3ADB.

Sat Feb 16 2013 00:46:31 GMT+0400 (Local Standard Time) = =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C = Roland Bruestle (r@mbsks.franken.de) = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:


Hi Roman,
yes I made a = pause=20 yesterday.
I am active now with WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX=20 475.817  kHz (1.67kHz).

Good = luck

Gru=C3=9F
Roland=20 DL3NDR

Am 14.02.2013 05:27, schrieb Roman RW3ADB:

Hi Roland, LF!

I monitor WSPR-15 yesterday, but nothing.

Hope to any activity tomorrow.

For info:

http://rw3adb.narod.ru/2013/20130213_475khz_QRM/= 20130213_WSPR15_475khz.01.JPG

Local QRM on 475 khz here.

The problem with automatical upload spots is not resolve.

May be who is know whats ports used by new WSPR prog for = upload?

I can try to open it on the router.

The other question to all.

The freq's for OPERA and other digi modes vy nearby on the some = HF=20 bands. This is to get a choice to monitor two mode at once.

Will be good to cooperate OPERA and WSPR-15 into nearby pass = bands w/o=20 the local QRM on 630m.

Roman RW3ADB.

Mon Feb 11 2013 23:33:10 GMT+0400 (Local Standard Time) = =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C = Roland Bruestle (r@mbsks.franken.de) = =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:


Hallo, MW-friends,
I am = still=20 transmitting WSPR-15 on dial 474.2kHz, TX 475.817  kHz=20 (1.67kHz).
I hope that I have solved the with my signal. The = reason=20 was the USB-Soundkard.
Good luck.

73
Roland=20 = DL3NDR

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