Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B4593800009E; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1U52pi-00058I-3c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:30:46 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1U52ph-000589-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:30:45 +0000 Received: from smtpout3.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.59] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U52pf-0005Ap-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:30:44 +0000 Received: from AGB ([2.26.9.81]) by mwinf5d44 with ME id zBWN1k00B1kuD2y03BWNxN; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:30:23 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <51197759.6090001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:30:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Was it that long ago ? seems like only yesterday when the flap broke out about the UK two way licence's : ) Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can on 136 I have seen MW UK/VK dx using carrier detection just behind the gray line , that would need a 100% carrier running for may be 2 hours round that time , but the window is not too big , may be , 15/ 30 mins ? [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3f96c9ff152a6a60cc2344b4cc7e7dd2 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about wide DX experiments on 630m and tonites QRSS-60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CE08AF.C324A220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ce5119887157aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CE08AF.C324A220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was it that long ago ? seems like only yesterday when the flap = broke out about the UK two way licence's : ) Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can on = 136=20 I have seen MW UK/VK dx using carrier detection just behind the = gray line , that would need a 100% carrier running for may be = 2 hours round that time , but the window is not too big , may be = , 15/ 30 mins ?=20 no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? G.. From: Warren Ziegler=20 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:15 PM To: rsgb_lf_group=20 Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about wide DX experiments on 630m and = tonites QRSS-60 Graham,=20 Small (but important) correction, US experimental stations have been = making QSOs (not just beacons) for more than 5 years now. I agree that there really is no point trying to reach Tasmania with 1W = ERP ! 73 Warren K2ORS On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Graham wrote: Too late S, , with 1 watt erp , game over Only the the USA beacons and Gus now have access to the = erp / power needed G// -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Sch=E4fer" Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:57 PM To: ; "Vasily Savchenko" = ; "Garry and Linda Hess" ; = "Douglas D. Williams" ; "Andy - KU4XR" = ; "Edgar J Twining" = Subject: LF: Considerations about wide DX experiments on 630m and = tonites QRSS-60=20 MF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Edgar in Tasmania was recently asking if i have some plans about DX = experiments on 630m. Well that is a path of > 16000 km. However we do = not have real experience if that is easier than 2200m or rather = impossible. At least i know that there was not even a single decode by UA0SNV in = my MF WSPR and QRSS tests so far, while it is no problem on LF (OK my MF = signal is weaker than my LF signal). Thus i would guess that it is much = harder to get some traces of a signal on 630m. We will try anyway! I'm starting to run a QRSS-60 transmission on 476.172 kHz (+- a few = Hz) for the night. Maybe someone across the pond will catch something. = We, or at least i still have no experience about the QSB problem on very = slow QRSS transmissions on MF. It would be interesting to see a = spectrogram. On air in a few minutes. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: No, not only beacon transmissions, i've just had a > 1 hour long = CW QSO with PA0LCE and DK6SX/p! Also contacts to OK2BVG and S57A. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CE08AF.C324A220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was it that long  ago  ?  seems like  = only =20 yesterday  when the  flap  broke  out  about = the =20 UK   two  way  licence's  : )
 
Problem is  you  cannot  up the  time  = to =20 down the  s/n as  you can  on 136
 
I have seen  MW  UK/VK  dx using  carrier  = detection  just  behind the  gray  line , that  = would  need  a  100%  carrier running  = for =20 may  be  2  hours  round  that  time  = , but=20 the  window is  not too  big , may be  , 15/ 30 mins = ?=20
 
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a trace = in=20 the  sand  ?
 
G..

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Considerations about wide DX experiments on = 630m=20 and tonites QRSS-60

Graham,=20
    Small (but important) correction, US experimental = stations=20 have been making QSOs (not just beacons) for more than 5 years = now.
I agree that there really is no point trying to reach Tasmania with = 1W ERP=20 !

73 Warren K2ORS



On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Too late S,  , with  1  watt =  erp=20  , game  over

Only  the  the  USA = beacons=20    and  Gus  now  have  access to =  the=20  erp / power=20 = needed

G//

-----------------------------------------= ---------
From:=20 "Stefan Sch=E4fer" <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>
S= ent:=20 Monday, February 11, 2013 10:57 PM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; "Vasily = Savchenko"=20 <ua0snv@yahoo.com>;=20 "Garry and Linda Hess" <k3siw@sbcglobal.net>; "Douglas D. Williams" = <kb4oer@gmail.com>; "Andy -=20 KU4XR" <ku4xr@yahoo.com>; "Edgar J Twining" <edgarjtwining@virginbroadband.com.au>
Su= bject:=20 LF: Considerations about wide DX experiments on 630m and tonites = QRSS-60=20


MF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

Edgar in = Tasmania=20 was recently asking if i have some plans about DX experiments on = 630m. Well=20 that is a path of > 16000 km. However we do not have real = experience if=20 that is easier than 2200m or rather impossible.

At least i = know that=20 there was not even a single decode by UA0SNV in my MF WSPR and QRSS = tests so=20 far, while it is no problem on LF (OK my MF signal is weaker than my = LF=20 signal). Thus i would guess that it is much harder to get some = traces of a=20 signal on 630m. We will try anyway!

I'm starting to run a = QRSS-60=20 transmission on 476.172 kHz (+- a few Hz) for the night. Maybe = someone=20 across the pond will catch something. We, or at least i still have = no=20 experience about the QSB problem on very slow QRSS transmissions on = MF. It=20 would be interesting to see a spectrogram.

On air in a few=20 minutes.

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: No, not only beacon=20 transmissions, i've just had a > 1 hour long CW QSO with PA0LCE = and=20 DK6SX/p! Also contacts to OK2BVG and=20 S57A.





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73 Warren K2ORS
        =  =20       WD2XGJ
          =    =20   WD2XSH/23
              =  =20 WE2XEB/2
               =20 WE2XGR/1

 
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