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F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : André Guyé A: rsgb_lf_group Envoyé le : Di, 17 Fév 2013 13:10 Sujet : LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m [...] Content analysis details: (-0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.206.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (f4dtl[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: a4a3257dfd9305f86b1fb6cb0c1d1f20 Subject: Re : LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFDB267577786A_17D8_62DC7_webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60585120d5ab518e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFDB267577786A_17D8_62DC7_webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Beautifful Andy, congratulations my friend. It is a world record distance on ham MF band ? F4DTL Nicolas -----E-mail d'origine----- De : Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9 A: rsgb_lf_group Envoy=C3=A9 le : Di, 17 F=C3=A9v 2013 13:10 Sujet : LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m >From F6CNI : =20 Hello, I give you some info about the MF reception of Dale VK1DSH signal he= re in France. =20 For 2 weeks, the propagation between EU / VK on 160 meters is great, and I = had some CW QSO barefoot. I think that for this DX path the propagation on = MF may be similar than on 160 m ? =20 At the date of this event, between the Dale and Andy QTH, the best moment i= s a bit before the grey line sunset in France, when the sun elevation is ab= out 3=C2=B0. But on 160 meters that needs especially good propagation and t= he opening is rare and very short, 5 to 15 minutes only. This moment is now= around 1645 TU in my QTH. A bit later, when the sunrise at VK land in grey= line, that is a second short period for success, around 1920 TU. That is t= rue only for south to north hemisphere DX. =20 For north / north path (EU to east coast or centre of States) the best mome= nt is simply in the middle of the night. But perhaps for longer path, as we= st coast the sunrise in Europe is better ? =20 My garden is quite large but in centre of the city, a noisy location. Anten= nas for LF / MF are an 85 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX are IC7200,= IC706MK2 and a FT1000MP. =20 Only 3 miles away from my home, there is a golf. That is my second hobby. D= ue to the very bad weather in France for one month, there is a very little = player=E2=80=99s activity. So a week ago I hang on border of the golf a sim= ple beverage using a very light wire. About 500 or a bit more meters long a= iming to 80=C2=B0 azimuth. For the test yesterday I had in my car the IC720= 0 on 473.5 USB and a portable computer (only 2 hours of autonomy) with 3G. = I stay on place only during 40 minutes. That is the story. I catch one spot= from Dale. =20 What that means ? The Beverage and not power line helps a lot giving a very= low noise level. The use of the 473.5 USB QRG is good, because there is no= t any QRM on this frequency. And certainly a great propagation day, so I wa= s lucky listening the good frequency at the best moment. What about the use= of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I th= ink that the opening duration time is too short for that use ? =20 Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid that= . So, I=E2=80=99ll try again but it is necessary for me to hurry, because t= he beverage antenna must be dismounted in a short time. =20 For information, I use some codes when I am receiving LF, MF or 160m: =20 F6CNI : normal, listening only WSPR2=20 F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and WSPR15 (giving F6CNI/15 reports for= WSPR15)=20 F6CNI/RX1 and F6CNI/RX2 : I use 2 RX with 2 RX antennas=20 F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the Beverage on the Golf location. =20 Best 73. Sorry my poor english. =20 F6CNI Andy. JN19QB =20 =20 From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m =20 There's a thread in the VK 600m group discussing this unusual wspr spot: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/600m/message/6415 =20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m Andy Was this direct? 2013-02-16 16:44 VK1DSH 0.475078 -29 0 QF44ms = 50 F6CNI/BEV JN19qb 16832 310 Eddie G3ZJO ----------MB_8CFDB267577786A_17D8_62DC7_webmail-m014.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Beautifful Andy, congrat= ulations my friend.
It is a world record distance on ham MF band ?
F4DTL Nicolas


= -----E-mail d'origine-----
De : Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9 <andre.guye1@aliceadsl.fr>
A: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Envoy=C3=A9 le : Di, 17 F=C3=A9v 2013 13:10
Sujet : LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m

From F6CNI :
 
Hello, I give you some info about the MF= reception of Dale VK1DSH signal here in France.
 
For 2 weeks, the propagation between EU = / VK on 160 me= ters is great,= and I had some CW QSO barefoot. I think that for this DX path the propagat= ion on MF may be similar than on 160 m ?
 
At the date of this event, between the D= ale and Andy QTH, the best moment is a bit before the grey line sunset in <= /SPAN>France, when the sun elevatio= n is about 3=C2=B0. But on 160 meters that needs especially good propagatio= n and the opening is rare and very short, 5 to 15 minutes only. This moment= is now around 1645 TU in my QTH. A bit later, when the sunrise at VK land = in grey line, that is a second short period for success, around 1920 TU. Th= at is true only for south to north hemisphere DX.
 
For north / north path (EU to east coast= or centre of States) the best moment is simply in the middle of the night.= But perhaps for longer path, as west coast the sunrise in Europe is better ?
 
My garden is quite large but in centre o= f the city, a noisy location. Antennas for LF / MF are an 85 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX are = IC7200, IC706MK2 and a FT1000MP.
 
Only 3 miles away from my home, there is a golf. That is my second h= obby. Due to the very bad weather in France 
What that means ? The Beverage and not p= ower line helps a lot giving a very low noise level. The use of the 473.5 U= SB QRG is good, because there is not any QRM on this frequency. And certain= ly a great propagation day, so I was lucky listening the good frequency at = the best moment. What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or Q= RSS ? For this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is to= o short for that use ?
 
Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, on= e spot is not sufficient to valid that. So, I=E2=80=99ll try again but it is necessar= y for me to hurry, because the beverage antenna must be dismounted in a sho= rt time.
 
For information, I use some codes when I= am receiving LF, MF or 160m:
 
  • F6CNI : normal, listening only WSPR2=20
  • F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and WSPR15 (giving F6CNI/= 15 reports for WSPR15)=20
  • F6CNI/RX1 and F6CNI/RX2 : I use 2 RX with 2 RX antennas=20
  • F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the Beverage on the Golf location= .
 
Best 73. Sorry my poor english.
 
F6CNI Andy. JN19QB
 
 
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m
 
There's a thread in the VK 600m group disc= ussing this unusual wspr spot:
 
Best 73, Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m

Andy

Was this direct?

  2013-02-16 16:44      VK1DSH  &nb= sp;   0.475078      -29   = ;   0      QF44ms    = ;   50      F6CNI/BEV   &= nbsp;  JN19qb      16832   &nb= sp; 310

Eddie G3ZJO

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