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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Dimitris, unlike HF, antenna efficiencies at LF can differ vastly from one site to another. So it makes much more sense to state radiated power (ERP) than TX power. Note that under current regulations, ERP's beyond one watt are simply nonexistent, per definitionem ;-) [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.91.96 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: ebba021850e0a5d4120636e52401e975 Subject: Re: LF: declared power on WSPR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01CE03FC.95E1ACC0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14751118ec318bc X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CE03FC.95E1ACC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dimitris, unlike HF, antenna efficiencies at LF can differ vastly from one site to = another. So it makes much more sense to state radiated power (ERP) than = TX power. Note that under current regulations, ERP's beyond one watt are simply = nonexistent, per definitionem ;-) Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Dimitrios Tsifakis=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:22 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: declared power on WSPR Hi group, I was browsing the WSPR database for MF and noticed that I am the only one declaring a 50 W power. My TX power output is 50 W, however the radiate power is just a tiny fraction of 1 W. What is the protocol for WSPR? Advertise the Pout or the EIRP? 73, Dimitris VK1SV ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01CE03FC.95E1ACC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dimitris,
 
unlike HF, antenna efficiencies at = LF can=20 differ vastly from one site to another. So it makes much more sense = to=20 state radiated power (ERP) than TX power.
 
Note that under current = regulations,=20 ERP's beyond one watt are simply nonexistent, per definitionem = ;-)
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
From: Dimitrios Tsifakis
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:22 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: declared power on WSPR

Hi group,

I was browsing = the WSPR=20 database for MF and noticed that I am the only
one declaring a 50 W = power. My=20 TX power output is 50 W, however the
radiate power is just a tiny = fraction of=20 1 W. What is the protocol for
WSPR? Advertise the Pout or the=20 EIRP?

73, Dimitris VK1SV

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