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Content preview: Exactly so Stefan Qrsss would of only been a trace in the sand (of Mr Wolfs very good SL) No chance to send qrssss or use data to write 'I have 2 cats' [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01CE0D1B.60EEBDA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1485120ea080f1d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CE0D1B.60EEBDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Exactly so Stefan Qrsss would of only been a trace in the sand (of Mr Wolfs very = good SL)=20 No chance to send qrssss or use data to write 'I have 2 cats' =20 But a beacon has decoded in 120 seconds , don't forget , not all = of wspr needs to be decoded to get a result , you only need 1 = sync point . [ q is wspr still using the 2 frame's or single ? = ] =20 It was all over in a 'flash' : ) Even allowing for the possibility of a false decode , with the = time correlation , I would say , that is a confirmed decode , at = double the range of Gu's sm6bhz, China decode some time back , = which I think was also a 'single' decode , at the time he was = running 100% tx cycle ,=20 160 in the last 2 weeks shows 2 spots=20 2013-02-13 18:58 VK1CH 1.838155 -29 0 QF44mp 5 = DF1OE JO42wi 16304 313 =20 2013-02-13 19:32 VK1CH 1.838156 -26 0 QF44mp 5 = DF1OE JO42wi 16304 313 =20 Outstanding results Dale and Andy=20 Hard act to follow ! =20 73 -G.. From: Stefan Sch=C3=A4fer=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Dale Hughes=20 Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Andy, Dale, MF,=20 First i want to express my congratulations to this most impressing = achievement! It is certainly VERY encouraging for the other WSPR = transmitting stations to try what seems to be impossible. BTW i want to remember what was written here last tuesday: Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20 [...] =20 no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? G.. Your results demonstrate once again that it is always worth to try what = seems to be impossible! :-) Am 17.02.2013 13:08, schrieb Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9:=20 What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For = this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too short = for that use ? Well first it would be interesting to get some informatiuons about = Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 decoded, then QRSS-10 should be = possible as well.=20 WSPR-15 may take to long, the opening times are quite short, as you say. = But anyway, this opens a new field for experiments. Of course it is = worth to transmit during the time that path is open! And it is good that = the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different to ours, so we already have = splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and VK. Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid = that. Why not? If you say that you didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and = got a decode. Where should the information in the WSPR window come from, = if not trough the RF radiated in VK?=20 Again, my best congratulations to this impressing result!! 73, Stefan7DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01CE0D1B.60EEBDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Exactly so Stefan
 
Qrsss   would  of only  been a  = trace  in=20 the  sand (of  Mr Wolfs very  good  SL)
 
No chance to  send  qrssss  or  use data = to =20 write   'I have 2 cats' 
 
But a beacon has decoded  in 120  seconds  , = don't =20 forget  , not  all  of   wspr  needs  = to  be  decoded  to  get a  result , you =20 only  need 1  sync point .  [ q is  wspr  = still =20 using the  2  frame's  or  single  ? ]  =
 
It was  all  over  in a  'flash' : )
 
Even  allowing  for  the  possibility of  = a =20 false  decode , with the  time correlation  , I = would =20 say , that is  a confirmed  decode , at  double the  = range  of  Gu's sm6bhz,   China  decode  = some=20 time  back , which I think was  also  a  = 'single' =20 decode  , at the  time  he  was  running =20 100%  tx  cycle ,
 
160 in the  last 2  weeks shows 2 spots
 
 2013-02-13 18:58   VK1CH   1.838155   -29   0   QF44mp   5   DF1OE   JO42wi   16304   313 
 2013-02-13 19:32   VK1CH   1.838156   -26   0   QF44mp   5   DF1OE   JO42wi   16304   313 
 
Outstanding   results    Dale  and Andy =
 
Hard  act to  follow  ! 
 
73 -G..
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Stefan = Sch=C3=A4fer
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:43 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ; Dale Hughes
Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on=20 630m

Andy, Dale, MF,

First i want to express my=20 congratulations to this most impressing achievement! It is certainly = VERY=20 encouraging for the other WSPR transmitting stations to try what seems = to be=20 impossible.

BTW i want to remember what was written here last=20 tuesday:
Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20
[...] =20
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a = trace in=20 the  sand  ?
 
G..

Your results demonstrate once again = that it is=20 always worth to try what seems to be impossible! :-)


Am = 17.02.2013=20 13:08, schrieb Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9:=20
What about the use of long = period of=20 TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I think that the = opening=20 duration time is too short for that use=20 ?

Well first it would be = interesting=20 to get some informatiuons about Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 = decoded,=20 then QRSS-10 should be possible as well.
WSPR-15 may take to long, = the=20 opening times are quite short, as you say. But anyway, this opens a new = field=20 for experiments. Of course it is worth to transmit during the time that = path is=20 open! And it is good that the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different = to ours,=20 so we already have splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and = VK.

 

Now, as Dale said to me = in a mail,=20 one spot is not sufficient to valid=20 that.

Why not? If you say = that you=20 didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and got a decode. Where should the=20 information in the WSPR window come from, if not trough the RF radiated = in VK?=20



Again, my best congratulations to this impressing=20 result!!

73, Stefan7DK7FC
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