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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hummmm, a lot of crap is slipping through. I have to fine-tuning the spam filter again :( LA5VNA Steinar loc:JO59jq Den 18.02.2013 19:23, skrev mal hamilton: > Graham > It is all inter related. But a few fundamentals are necessary. If it is so bad with for instance a 24 dB disadvantage I would MOVE or pack it in. > Too many excuses are used, the amateur has enough space for a reasonable antenna but says he is concerned about what the neighbours might think. I have heard this so many times. How much space does a 60 ft vertical take up, less than half a sq metre. > Surely when a radio amateur is looking for a property he has antennas in mind and looks for the largest real estate he can afford. > especially if interested in MF or LF. > So wspr is totally dependent on the Receive operator ? and a vy quiet location. I thought the whole idea was to overcome this problem > It is not working, as I said looking at the wspr database, some stns are not even aware that others are active because of lack of signal for what ever reason. > mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS > > > May be , may be not Mal > > The system is reading the s/n at the Rx and not the field strength ........ depends on the local noise level , rst 159 or 599 , carrier still S9 , 1= qrm 5= no qrm > > From: mal hamilton > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:49 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS > > > Example > I am receiving PA3EGO + 2dB another UK stn is showing -22 at a shorter distance. A difference of 24 dB > and this station says he is an Expert!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:42 PM > Subject: LF: POOR ANTENNAS > > > MF > One thing the wspr DB shows is how poor some Receivers/Antennas are comparing like with like approximately same distances from Transmitter. > > g3kev > > [...] Content analysis details: (-1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [80.202.8.16 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c9d6a1e47761f7ec7375ac340bef30d0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1da607512283b45328 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hummmm, a lot of crap is slipping through. I have to fine-tuning the spam filter again :( LA5VNA Steinar loc:JO59jq Den 18.02.2013 19:23, skrev mal hamilton: > Graham > It is all inter related. But a few fundamentals are necessary. If it is so bad with for instance a 24 dB disadvantage I would MOVE or pack it in. > Too many excuses are used, the amateur has enough space for a reasonable antenna but says he is concerned about what the neighbours might think. I have heard this so many times. How much space does a 60 ft vertical take up, less than half a sq metre. > Surely when a radio amateur is looking for a property he has antennas in mind and looks for the largest real estate he can afford. > especially if interested in MF or LF. > So wspr is totally dependent on the Receive operator ? and a vy quiet location. I thought the whole idea was to overcome this problem > It is not working, as I said looking at the wspr database, some stns are not even aware that others are active because of lack of signal for what ever reason. > mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS > > > May be , may be not Mal > > The system is reading the s/n at the Rx and not the field strength ........ depends on the local noise level , rst 159 or 599 , carrier still S9 , 1= qrm 5= no qrm > > From: mal hamilton > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:49 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: POOR ANTENNAS > > > Example > I am receiving PA3EGO + 2dB another UK stn is showing -22 at a shorter distance. A difference of 24 dB > and this station says he is an Expert!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:42 PM > Subject: LF: POOR ANTENNAS > > > MF > One thing the wspr DB shows is how poor some Receivers/Antennas are comparing like with like approximately same distances from Transmitter. > > g3kev > >