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[...] Content analysis details: (0.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.3 HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD BODY: HTML font face is not a word X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040401050506090601060408" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411751214ace04cd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040401050506090601060408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi G Yes you were right. What I liked was decoding the 'trace in the sand', a bit more than 'just' and it was WSPR2, holds the distance record over WSPR15 on 630m. Slip one in quick when the going is good. 472KHz to the Far Flung Antipodes of Hobartly Tasmanial BAH! you are all MW Dreamers. Stanley Unwinese as used by himself to a Policeman, as an excuse for driving the wrong way down a one way street. Eddie On 17/02/2013 20:21, Graham wrote: > Any fool can repeat what others say , but a lesser one might > repeat the whole text > So , as I posted , > ''Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you > can on 136 > I have seen MW UK/VK dx using carrier detection just behind > the gray line , that would need a 100% carrier running for > may be 2 hours round that time , but the window is not too > big , may be , 15/ 30 mins ? > no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? '' > Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can > on 136 , >>> True ? > Its possible to observe signals from VK on MF >>.. Ture ? > time window small >> ture ? > Special set up long carrier (rx) ? >> ture ? > Observed signal very low out side data >> true ? > so what particular point is worth repeating concern ? > G.. > > *From:* Rik Strobbe > *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:54 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > ; Dale Hughes > > *Subject:* RE: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m > > Hi Stefan, > > in 1923 wrote Paul Godley (call 2ZE): The amateur is a > fool: ignoring that something is impossible, he makes it happen. > > Maybe little has changed since then ;-) > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > BTW i want to remember what was written here last tuesday: > Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham: >> [...] >> no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? >> G.. > > Your results demonstrate once again that it is always worth > to try what seems to be impossible! :-) > > > Am 17.02.2013 13:08, schrieb André Guyé: >> What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? >> For this very long path, I think that the opening duration time >> is too short for that use ? > > Well first it would be interesting > to get some informatiuons about Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 > decoded, then QRSS-10 should be possible as well. > WSPR-15 may take to long, the opening times are quite short, as you > say. But anyway, this opens a new field for experiments. Of course it > is worth to transmit during the time that path is open! And it > is good that the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different to ours, so > we already have splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and VK. > >> **Now*, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient >> to valid that.* >> > Why not? If you say that you didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, > and got a decode. Where should the information in the WSPR window come > from, if not trough the RF radiated in VK? > > > > Again, my best congratulations to this impressing result!! > > 73, Stefan7DK7FC --------------040401050506090601060408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi G

Yes you were right. What I liked was decoding the 'trace in the sand', a bit more than 'just' and it was WSPR2, holds the distance record over WSPR15 on 630m. Slip one in quick when the going is good.
472KHz to the Far Flung Antipodes of Hobartly Tasmanial  BAH! you are all  MW Dreamers.

Stanley Unwinese as used by himself  to a Policeman, as an excuse for driving the wrong way down a one way street.

Eddie


On 17/02/2013 20:21, Graham wrote:
Any fool  can repeat  what  others  say  , but a lesser one  might  repeat the  whole  text  
 
So  , as  I posted ,
 
''Problem is  you  cannot  up the  time  to  down the  s/n as  you can  on 136
 
I have seen  MW  UK/VK  dx using  carrier  detection  just  behind the  gray  line , that  would  need  a  100%  carrier running  for  may  be  2  hours  round  that  time  , but the  window is  not too  big , may be  , 15/ 30 mins ?  
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a trace in the  sand  ? ''
 
 
 
Problem is  you  cannot  up the  time  to  down the  s/n as  you can  on 136 , >>> True ?
Its possible to   observe  signals   from  VK on MF   >>.. Ture ?
time  window  small   >> ture ?
Special  set up long carrier   (rx)  ? >>  ture  ?
Observed signal  very low out side  data >>  true ?
 
so  what  particular point  is  worth    repeating concern ? 
 
 
G..
 
 
 

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: RE: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m

Hi Stefan,

 

in 1923 wrote Paul Godley (call 2ZE): The amateur is a fool: ignoring that something is impossible, he makes it happen.

 

Maybe little has changed since then ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


BTW i want to remember what was written here last tuesday:
Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:
[...] 
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a trace in the  sand  ?
 
G..

Your results demonstrate once again that it is always worth to try what seems to be impossible! :-)


Am 17.02.2013 13:08, schrieb André Guyé:
What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too short for that use ?

Well first it would be interesting to get some informatiuons about Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 decoded, then QRSS-10 should be possible as well. 
WSPR-15 may take to long, the opening times are quite short, as you say. But anyway, this opens a new field for experiments. Of course it is worth to transmit during the time that path is open! And it is good that the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different to ours, so we already have splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and VK.

 

Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid that.

Why not? If you say that you didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and got a decode. Where should the information in the WSPR window come from, if not trough the RF radiated in VK?



Again, my best congratulations to this impressing result!!

73, Stefan7DK7FC

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