Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A84DC380000A7; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1U69o7-0008PT-BJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:09:43 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1U69o6-0008PK-Rc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:09:42 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U69o4-0000gv-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 01:09:41 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r1F19dgn008346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:09:40 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id r1F19dSA019769 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <511D8ACE.2010500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:09:34 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <511D8408.8030709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Dimitris, Am 15.02.2013 01:52, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: > Hi Stefan, > > A photo of the coil can be seen here: > > http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/500/ > That big wire is standard house electrical wire for 240V in VK? Looks like 4...6 mm^2 :-) Rated at 35A? :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: fc152e7304849b9a177649b85aea9f41 Subject: Re: LF: how to increase the Q of my loading coil? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d6186511d8b257b3b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Dimitris, Am 15.02.2013 01:52, schrieb Dimitrios Tsifakis: > Hi Stefan, > > A photo of the coil can be seen here: > > http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~dxt103/500/ > That big wire is standard house electrical wire for 240V in VK? Looks like 4...6 mm^2 :-) Rated at 35A? :-) Well, i would wind ll the turns without the gaps. That makes it more compact and the coupling will be better. So the L will be higher and so you will need less wire and get a higher Q. I would keep the distance to ground at least the diameter of the bucket. The diameter/length will be quite good. A Q of 220 is not bad. You may rise it to 300 with that type of wire i think. > The operating position is inside a little metal garden shed. I have a > wooden bench and it sits on that. There is maybe 0.5 m of space or > more between the inductor and the shed walls. > OK, that is good. But the wire, who do you bring it outside? Maybe there is a significant C between the wire and the coil to the walls anyway, in relation to the antenna C. > Ground losses are estimated to be a bit less than 20 ohm. This varies > a bit with the WX, currently after a bit of rain think it is probably > around 17 or 18 ohm. There is clay under the soil, which I think is > good news when it comes to conductivity :-) > > Going from 27 ohm to say (Q=1000) about 20 ohm antenna impedance, > would result in a small but very welcome antenna current increase... > And what about the radiation resistance? Have you already reached the limit? 73, Stefan > 73, Dimitris >