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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 7dd01087b55da185bb3a74d73cfa7317 Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090301070903080303040807" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d6187510d39f75571 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090301070903080303040807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 02/02/2013 15:42, mal hamilton wrote: > Eddie > If I am only decoding the QRO stn with my antennas those with uProbes, > Orange box loops and Earth gas pipe antennas have no chance other than > their neighbour over the fence !! No can't agree there many of those stations you ridicule are getting low power signals to the same stations that you are RX'ing and of course they RX them also. Clearly your directional antenna is exclusive, efficient in some directions, however it condemns you to running high power in order to work the same stations over and over again. We see your high power fine, even get QRM'd by it but you deny our existence. However you enjoy what you are doing and that is fine, I have no opinions or criticisms to make, we should all enjoy what we enjoy doing, there really is room for all of us. BTW Your bird can sing. But you cant see me PA0O can at more than double the distance than to your QTH 73 Eddie. > I am seeing some vy weak ones but no decode it would appear, back to > QRSS agn > Yes I now see the DB with my reports. > Leaving the WSPR scene soon and back real radio!! > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* g3zjo > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:01 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: wspr decode > > You are OK uploading now and previous reports too. > > However you are only decoding high power stations. > 2013-02-02 14:54 DK7FC 0.475690 -5 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:54 DG3LV 0.475794 -23 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:52 PA2RF 0.475682 -27 0 > JO22gb +23 0.200 G3KEV IO94sh 416 258 > 2013-02-02 14:50 DG3LV 0.475796 -25 -1 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:48 DK7FC 0.475693 -15 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:48 GW8MLA 0.475708 -21 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 14:32 M1GEO 0.475699 -14 0 > JO01cn +10 0.010 G3KEV IO94sh 309 192 > 2013-02-02 14:30 DK7FC 0.475689 -5 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:28 DG3LV 0.475792 -26 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:28 GW8MLA 0.475702 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 14:24 DK7FC 0.475688 -6 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:22 DG3LV 0.475791 -27 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:20 GW8MLA 0.475701 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 14:18 PA2RF 0.475677 -28 1 > JO22gb +23 0.200 G3KEV IO94sh 416 258 > 2013-02-02 14:18 DK7FC 0.475687 -10 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:18 DG3LV 0.475790 -27 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:14 DG3LV 0.475790 -29 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:12 GW8MLA 0.475702 -13 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 14:12 DK7FC 0.475688 -4 -1 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:10 DG3LV 0.475792 -28 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:06 DK7FC 0.475688 -8 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:06 DG3LV 0.475791 -28 0 > JO53gv +43 19.953 G3KEV IO94sh 718 446 > 2013-02-02 14:00 DK7FC 0.475688 -7 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 14:00 GW8MLA 0.475703 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 13:58 PA0A 0.475778 +12 0 > JO33de +33 1.995 G3KEV IO94sh 461 286 > 2013-02-02 13:54 DK7FC 0.475688 -15 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 13:52 GW8MLA 0.475702 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 13:50 M1GEO 0.475690 -15 0 > JO01cn +10 0.010 G3KEV IO94sh 309 192 > 2013-02-02 13:48 DK7FC 0.475688 -10 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 13:44 M1GEO 0.475740 -22 0 > JO01cn +10 0.010 G3KEV IO94sh 309 192 > 2013-02-02 13:42 DK7FC 0.475686 -11 0 > JN49ik +30 1.000 G3KEV IO94sh 829 515 > 2013-02-02 11:30 GW8MLA 0.475724 -13 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 11:18 GW8MLA 0.475722 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 11:08 GW8MLA 0.475720 -12 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 10:48 GW8MLA 0.475719 -10 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 10:36 GW8MLA 0.475718 -11 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > 2013-02-02 10:14 GW8MLA 0.475717 -21 0 > IO82js +20 0.100 G3KEV IO94sh 250 155 > > On 02/02/2013 14:27, mal hamilton wrote: >> Eddie >> One problem that effects you and your QRP >> I am beaming E/W and you are to my south in the 40m loop null. I >> will switch to the inv L later and maybe see u then. One other thing >> I do not see my callsign on the reports although I have ticked >> the Upload box. I depend on time sync via internet. >> mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* g3zjo >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:13 PM >> *Subject:* Re: LF: wspr decode >> >> Mal >> >> I have increased my power by 10dB so you never know. However >> the the other morning running this power on QRSS3 I called >> and called you precisely on your frequency.. After one call >> the timing was so right that I sent you a report over and >> over but no, you couldn't see me. >> Temperamental? In no way, it is solid and reliable believe >> me. At first I use to measure accurately the 1.6Hz data steps >> when setting up a PIC system, now I set it by eye and just >> look to make sure I get decoded to -31dB from distant >> stations, tolerant or what. >> WSPR copes with frequency drifting TX's some drifting 3 times >> the width of the signal, and get decoded. >> >> Eddie >> >> On 02/02/2013 13:49, mal hamilton wrote: >>> Ps >>> things are improving now decoding DK7FC and M1GEO watch out >>> you could be next. Seems a temperamental mode >>> g3kev >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* mal hamilton >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:32 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: wspr decode >>> >>> Eddie >>> My Logic---If I can decode one then that should apply to >>> all the others >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* g3zjo >>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:42 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: LF: wspr decode >>> >>> Simple one, but timing, is your timing OK? >>> >>> Eddie >>> >>> On 02/02/2013 11:32, mal hamilton wrote: >>>> I am seeing quite a lot of acty on the waterfall >>>> and you are probably there, 8 visible at present >>>> but Decode is a different story. >>>> Like I said if these same stns were on QRSS I would >>>> get an ID and you would probably be there also >>>> Most are audible with me and strong enough for a CW qso >>>> de g3kev >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* g3zjo >>>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:55 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: LF: wspr decode >>>> >>>> On 02/02/2013 10:40, mal hamilton wrote: >>>>> Strangely enough I can only decode GW8MLA and >>>>> there are another several stns active at >>>>> present on WSPR-2. Most are strong and audible >>>>> de g3kev >>>> Well that will give you a rather distorted view >>>> of the usefulness of the mode then. >>>> >>>> And you don't see me, >>>> >>>> Beatles >>>> >>>> You think you've got everything you want >>>> And your bird can sing >>>> But you don't see me >>>> >>>> Do I remember the lyrics right? >>>> >>>> Eddie >>>> >>> >> > --------------090301070903080303040807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 02/02/2013 15:42, mal hamilton wrote:
Eddie
If I am only decoding the QRO stn with my antennas those with uProbes, Orange box loops and Earth gas pipe antennas have no chance other than their neighbour over the fence !!
No can't agree there many of those stations you ridicule are getting low power signals to the same stations that you are RX'ing and of course they RX them also.

Clearly your directional antenna is exclusive, efficient in some directions, however it condemns you to running high power in order to work the same stations over and over again.  We see your high power fine, even get QRM'd by it but you deny our existence.

However you enjoy what you are doing and that is fine, I have no opinions or criticisms to make, we should all enjoy what we enjoy doing, there really is room for all of us.

BTW
Your bird can sing.
But you cant see me
PA0O can at more than double the distance than to your QTH

73 Eddie.

I am seeing some vy weak ones but no decode it would appear, back to QRSS agn
Yes I now see the DB with my reports.
Leaving the WSPR scene soon and back real radio!!
de mal/g3kev
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode

You are OK uploading now and previous reports  too.

However you are only decoding high power stations.
2013-02-02 14:54      DK7FC      0.475690      -5      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:54      DG3LV      0.475794      -23      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:52      PA2RF      0.475682      -27      0      JO22gb      +23      0.200      G3KEV      IO94sh      416      258
 2013-02-02 14:50      DG3LV      0.475796      -25      -1      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:48      DK7FC      0.475693      -15      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:48      GW8MLA      0.475708      -21      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 14:32      M1GEO      0.475699      -14      0      JO01cn      +10      0.010      G3KEV      IO94sh      309      192
 2013-02-02 14:30      DK7FC      0.475689      -5      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:28      DG3LV      0.475792      -26      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:28      GW8MLA      0.475702      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 14:24      DK7FC      0.475688      -6      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:22      DG3LV      0.475791      -27      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:20      GW8MLA      0.475701      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 14:18      PA2RF      0.475677      -28      1      JO22gb      +23      0.200      G3KEV      IO94sh      416      258
 2013-02-02 14:18      DK7FC      0.475687      -10      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:18      DG3LV      0.475790      -27      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:14      DG3LV      0.475790      -29      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:12      GW8MLA      0.475702      -13      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 14:12      DK7FC      0.475688      -4      -1      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:10      DG3LV      0.475792      -28      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:06      DK7FC      0.475688      -8      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:06      DG3LV      0.475791      -28      0      JO53gv      +43      19.953      G3KEV      IO94sh      718      446
 2013-02-02 14:00      DK7FC      0.475688      -7      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 14:00      GW8MLA      0.475703      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 13:58      PA0A      0.475778      +12      0      JO33de      +33      1.995      G3KEV      IO94sh      461      286
 2013-02-02 13:54      DK7FC      0.475688      -15      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 13:52      GW8MLA      0.475702      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 13:50      M1GEO      0.475690      -15      0      JO01cn      +10      0.010      G3KEV      IO94sh      309      192
 2013-02-02 13:48      DK7FC      0.475688      -10      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 13:44      M1GEO      0.475740      -22      0      JO01cn      +10      0.010      G3KEV      IO94sh      309      192
 2013-02-02 13:42      DK7FC      0.475686      -11      0      JN49ik      +30      1.000      G3KEV      IO94sh      829      515
 2013-02-02 11:30      GW8MLA      0.475724      -13      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 11:18      GW8MLA      0.475722      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 11:08      GW8MLA      0.475720      -12      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 10:48      GW8MLA      0.475719      -10      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 10:36      GW8MLA      0.475718      -11      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155
 2013-02-02 10:14      GW8MLA      0.475717      -21      0      IO82js      +20      0.100      G3KEV      IO94sh      250      155

On 02/02/2013 14:27, mal hamilton wrote:
Eddie
One problem that effects you and your QRP
I am beaming E/W and you are to my south in the 40m loop null. I will switch to the inv L later and maybe see u then. One other thing
I do not see my callsign on the reports although I have ticked the Upload box. I depend on time sync via internet.
mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode

Mal

I have increased my power by 10dB so you never know. However the the other morning running this power on QRSS3  I called and called you precisely on your frequency.. After one call the timing was so right that I sent you a report over and over but no, you couldn't see me.
Temperamental? In no way, it is solid and reliable believe me. At first I use to measure accurately the 1.6Hz data steps when setting up a PIC system, now I set it by eye and just look to make sure I get decoded to -31dB from distant stations, tolerant or what.
WSPR copes with frequency drifting TX's some drifting 3 times the width of the signal, and get decoded.

Eddie

On 02/02/2013 13:49, mal hamilton wrote:
Ps
things are improving now decoding DK7FC and M1GEO watch out you could be next. Seems a temperamental mode
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode

Eddie
My Logic---If I can decode one then that should apply to all the others
 
----- Original Message -----
From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode

Simple one, but timing, is your timing OK?

Eddie

On 02/02/2013 11:32, mal hamilton wrote:
I am seeing quite a lot of acty on the waterfall and you are probably there, 8 visible at present but Decode is a different story.
Like I said if these same stns were on QRSS I would get an ID and you would probably be there also
Most are audible with me and strong enough for a CW qso
de g3kev
 
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From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: LF: wspr decode

On 02/02/2013 10:40, mal hamilton wrote:
Strangely enough I can only decode GW8MLA and there are another several stns active at present on WSPR-2. Most are strong and audible
de g3kev
 
Well that will give you a rather distorted view of the usefulness of the mode then.

And you don't see me,

Beatles

You think you've got everything you want
And your bird can sing
But you don't see me

Do I remember the lyrics right?

Eddie




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