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That night there was heavy icing in ny-state , so the final power to the ae , was round 300 watts , was expecting 500 , but at that level, things started to light up ...... by the erp listed , must be up round the 1kw , x4 the previous power level , Bob's PA for 500 is much larger than the 136 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 40cd937fc1c5e6338b07d288cd09d087 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CE15B1.78CE8C40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b8e512f572e7628 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CE15B1.78CE8C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable S.. That night there was heavy icing in ny-state , so the final = power to the ae , was round 300 watts , was expecting 500 , but at = that level, things started to light up ...... by the erp listed , = must be up round the 1kw , x4 the previous power level , Bob's = PA for 500 is much larger than the 136=20 But , yes with 50% m/s ratio , energy drop's again by 50% , so = to test with equal energy , then the power has to be x2 = compared to a 100% carrier system , so all the equal power tests = are really 50% biased before the start .. So in static same power min level testing , its expected that a = bias will show , but over longer real path , then , I think the = decode profile has a bigger role to play ... ' Horses for Courses = ' as the saying go's .......( er, that's race courses and not = part of a menu ) A flutter test would be interesting , would need some one with a = 'large' signal to run OP0.5 at 100% -20 dB s/n min , and see = what decode s/n variations where , that would give a 30 second = sample window , op1 would give 60 seconds , but that may be too = course=20 G. From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:12 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR G Am 27.02.2013 23:04, schrieb Graham:=20 Ed , Or using 1/4 of the power , with a slightly more puzzling mode , = 8=20 Power or Energy? S ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CE15B1.78CE8C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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That night  there  was  heavy  =  icing  in=20 ny-state , so  the  final  power to the ae , was round = 300=20 watts  , was expecting   500 , but at  that  = level,=20 things started to  light up ...... by the  erp listed , must = be =20 up round the  1kw   ,   x4  the =20 previous   power level , Bob's  PA for  500  is = much=20 larger than  the  136
 
But , yes  with  50%  m/s ratio  , energy  = drop's  again by  50%   , so  to  = test =20 with  equal  energy , then the  power  has to  = be =20 x2  compared to  a 100% carrier  system   , so = all=20 the   equal power tests  are  really   50% = biased  before the  start ..
 
So in  static same power min level testing  , its  = expected=20 that  a  bias will  show , but  over  longer = real =20 path , then  , I think the  decode  profile has  a=20 bigger  role to  play  ...  ' Horses for  = Courses=20 '   as the  saying go's  .......( er,  = that's =20 race  courses  and  not part of  a menu )
 
A  flutter  test  would be  interesting , = would =20 need  some  one with a  'large'  signal  = to =20 run   OP0.5  at  100%   -20 dB s/n min , = and =20 see  what  decode s/n variations where , that  = would =20 give  a 30  second sample  window    , = op1 =20 would  give 60 seconds  , but that  may  be = too  course=20
 
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From: Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:12 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: LF: WE2XGR

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Am 27.02.2013 23:04, schrieb Graham:=20
Ed ,
 
Or using  1/4  of the  power , with a  = slightly=20 more  puzzling  mode , 8

Power or = Energy?

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