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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Andy I also think 160 metres is similar in many ways to 630 metres and I have worked VK many times over the years on CW especially VK6 area. Given the same ERP on 630 metres it would be possible to have a CW qso with VK around the grey line times. at this time of year. I found the best time for VK6 was their sunrise while it was dark here. There is a large variation with grey line across Australia because of its size. The lower ERP permitted around EU on 630 would make it more difficult but not impossible. It would be preferable to have large antennas because of their greater capture area [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 01bbe366c6256c79a1025d55a83a32a6 Subject: LF: Re: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CE0D22.8F4A1850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40565120f5ed450b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CE0D22.8F4A1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy I also think 160 metres is similar in many ways to 630 metres and I have = worked VK many times over the years on CW especially VK6 area. Given the same ERP on 630 metres it would be possible to have a CW qso = with VK around the grey line times. at this time of year. I found the best time for VK6 was their sunrise while it was dark here. = There is a large variation with grey line across Australia because of = its size. The lower ERP permitted around EU on 630 would make it more difficult = but not impossible. It would be preferable to have large antennas = because of their greater capture area =20 73 es GL=20 De Mal/G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andr=C3=A9 Guy=C3=A9=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m From F6CNI : Hello, I give you some info about the MF reception of Dale VK1DSH = signal here in France. For 2 weeks, the propagation between EU / VK on 160 meters is great, = and I had some CW QSO barefoot. I think that for this DX path the = propagation on MF may be similar than on 160 m ? At the date of this event, between the Dale and Andy QTH, the best = moment is a bit before the grey line sunset in France, when the sun = elevation is about 3=C2=B0. But on 160 meters that needs especially good = propagation and the opening is rare and very short, 5 to 15 minutes = only. This moment is now around 1645 TU in my QTH. A bit later, when the = sunrise at VK land in grey line, that is a second short period for = success, around 1920 TU. That is true only for south to north hemisphere = DX. For north / north path (EU to east coast or centre of States) the best = moment is simply in the middle of the night. But perhaps for longer = path, as west coast the sunrise in Europe is better ? My garden is quite large but in centre of the city, a noisy location. = Antennas for LF / MF are an 85 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX are = IC7200, IC706MK2 and a FT1000MP. Only 3 miles away from my home, there is a golf. That is my second = hobby. Due to the very bad weather in France for one month, there is a = very little player=E2=80=99s activity. So a week ago I hang on border of = the golf a simple beverage using a very light wire. About 500 or a bit = more meters long aiming to 80=C2=B0 azimuth. For the test yesterday I = had in my car the IC7200 on 473.5 USB and a portable computer (only 2 = hours of autonomy) with 3G. I stay on place only during 40 minutes. That = is the story. I catch one spot from Dale. What that means ? The Beverage and not power line helps a lot giving a = very low noise level. The use of the 473.5 USB QRG is good, because = there is not any QRM on this frequency. And certainly a great = propagation day, so I was lucky listening the good frequency at the best = moment. What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? = For this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too = short for that use ? Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid = that. So, I=E2=80=99ll try again but it is necessary for me to hurry, = because the beverage antenna must be dismounted in a short time. For information, I use some codes when I am receiving LF, MF or 160m: a.. F6CNI : normal, listening only WSPR2=20 b.. F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and WSPR15 (giving F6CNI/15 = reports for WSPR15)=20 c.. F6CNI/RX1 and F6CNI/RX2 : I use 2 RX with 2 RX antennas=20 d.. F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the Beverage on the Golf location. Best 73. Sorry my poor english. F6CNI Andy. JN19QB From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m There's a thread in the VK 600m group discussing this unusual wspr = spot: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/600m/message/6415 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g3zjo=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m Andy Was this direct? 2013-02-16 16:44 VK1DSH 0.475078 -29 0 = QF44ms 50 F6CNI/BEV JN19qb 16832 310 Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CE0D22.8F4A1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Andy
I also think 160 metres is similar in many ways = to 630=20 metres and I have worked VK many times over the years on CW especially = VK6=20 area.
Given the same ERP on 630 metres it would be = possible to=20 have a CW qso with VK around the grey line times. at this time of=20 year.
I found the best time for VK6=20 was their sunrise while it was dark here. There is a large = variation=20 with grey line across Australia because of its size.
The lower ERP permitted around EU on = 630 would=20 make it more difficult but not impossible. It would be preferable to = have large=20 antennas because of their greater capture area
  
73 es GL
De Mal/G3KEV
  
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andr=C3=A9=20 Guy=C3=A9
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 = 12:08=20 PM
Subject: LF: VK1DSH reception = in France=20 WSPR 2 on 630m

From F6CNI :

 

Hello, I give you some info about = the MF=20 reception of Dale VK1DSH signal here in France.

 

For 2 weeks, the propagation = between EU / VK=20 on 160=20 meters is = great, and=20 I had some CW QSO barefoot. I think that for this DX path the = propagation on=20 MF may be similar than on 160 m ?

 

At the date of this event, between = the Dale=20 and Andy QTH, the best moment is a bit before the grey line sunset in=20 France, when the sun = elevation is about=20 3=C2=B0. But on 160 meters that needs especially good propagation and = the opening=20 is rare and very short, 5 to 15 minutes only. This moment is now = around 1645=20 TU in my QTH. A bit later, when the sunrise at VK land in grey line, = that is a=20 second short period for success, around 1920 TU. That is true only for = south=20 to north hemisphere DX.

 

For north / north path (EU to east = coast or=20 centre of States) the best moment is simply in the middle of the = night. But=20 perhaps for longer path, as west coast the sunrise in Europe is better ?

 

My garden is quite large but in = centre of the=20 city, a noisy location. Antennas for LF / MF are an 85 meters long Inverted L and a K9AY. RX are = IC7200,=20 IC706MK2 and a FT1000MP.

 

Only 3 miles away from my home, there is a = golf. That is=20 my second hobby. Due to the very bad weather in France for one month, there is a very = little=20 player=E2=80=99s activity. So a week ago I hang on border of the golf = a simple=20 beverage using a very light wire. About 500 or a bit more meters long = aiming=20 to 80=C2=B0 azimuth. For the test yesterday I had in my car the IC7200 = on 473.5 USB=20 and a portable computer (only 2 hours of autonomy) with 3G. I stay on = place=20 only during 40 minutes. That is the story. I catch one spot from=20 Dale.

 

What that means ? The Beverage and not power = line helps=20 a lot giving a very low noise level. The use of the 473.5 USB QRG is = good,=20 because there is not any QRM on this frequency. And certainly a great=20 propagation day, so I was lucky listening the good frequency at the = best=20 moment. What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS = ? For=20 this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too = short for=20 that use ?

 

Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, = one spot=20 is not sufficient to valid that. So, I=E2=80=99ll try again but it = is necessary for me=20 to hurry, because the beverage antenna must be dismounted in a short=20 time.

 

For information, I use some codes when I am = receiving=20 LF, MF or 160m:

 

  • F6CNI : normal, listening only = WSPR2=20
  • F6CNI/2 : I am listening both WSPR2 and = WSPR15=20 (giving F6CNI/15 reports for WSPR15)=20
  • F6CNI/RX1 and F6CNI/RX2 : I use 2 RX with 2 = RX=20 antennas=20
  • F6CNI/BEV : one RX is using the Beverage on = the Golf=20 location.

 

Best 73. Sorry my poor = english.

 

F6CNI Andy. JN19QB

 

 
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on = 630m
 
There's a thread in the VK 600m group = discussing=20 this unusual wspr spot:
http://groups.ya= hoo.com/group/600m/message/6415
 
Best 73, Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: g3zjo
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR 2 and WSPR 15 on 630m

Andy

Was this = direct?

  2013-02-16 16:44     =20 VK1DSH      = 0.475078     =20 -29      0     =20 QF44ms       = 50     =20 F6CNI/BEV      = JN19qb     =20 16832     310

Eddie=20 G3ZJO

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