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Subject: Re[5]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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Pete, I live within the law and hope I have respect for other people=20
and users of the spectrum. Your attitude to band plans is a perfect=20
example of what is wrong with the hobby.

Colin - M5FRA

m5fra.org.uk


------ Original Message ------
From: "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 04/01/2013 11:57:13
Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
>Hi Colin=20

>What century do you live in? The days of deference are long long gone.=20
>It is a right to have access to the RF spectrum there is no privilege abou=
t it. We accept governmental control in a self=20
>interested way. The CBers taught us that!

>Having said that you have a right to your opinion of couse. But  band=20
>planning it's like the family trees in companies, you are given one=20
>when you join and over time find out how the outfit really runs and it=20
>usually looks nothing like that nice neat box chart!! And so it will=20
>be on 472/9.

>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
> From: M5FRA - Colin <m5fra@btinternet.com>
> To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 11:07
> Subject: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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> DIV.yiv1333205310Section1 { } I am sorry but I did not express myself=20
> very clearly in the last couple of posts and there were lots of=20
> typos. I will attempt to explain why I am opposed to digital=20
> voice/SSB on 630m.

> The main reason is that although it is technically possible it is=20
> impractical as it will take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth=20
> which will effectively deny other people the space to operate.

> The idea that it could be daylight hours only, VOX only etc etc as a=20
> gentlemen=E2=80=99s agreement is wildly optimistic in light of the abuse=
 of=20
> the other gentlemen=E2=80=99s agreements called bandplans.=20

> I also feel strongly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not=20
> a right. I know for sure that there is a lot of abuse of license=20
> conditions and have heard ops openly admit to running 1kw+ in order=20
> to work DX or to =E2=80=98level the playing field=E2=80=99 in contests.=
 That sort of=20
> abuse will only do us harm and although some argue that Ofcom are not=20
> interested in such things let me assure you that they are.=20

> The new 630m band is allocated on a secondary basis to aeronautical=20
> mobile users. There are still NDBs within the band and some countries=20
> impose restriction or deny access to 630m altogether because of the=20
> shared use. It will only take somebody to either accidentally or=20
> deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user for us to lose the band or=20
> face more restrictions. I can see the headlines now!

> Finally, and I will not post here again on this subject, I am not=20
> anti SSB, anti contests, anti much else, but do believe we need a=20
> responsible attitude to how we use the bands. We should not be=20
> constantly pushing for change to suit our own interests or=20
> deliberately flouting the law, in the long term that will only lead=20
> to loss of privilege not more access.=20

> And to answer an aggressive direct email which suggested I **** off=20
> and play somewhere else, yes I do operate digital modes and have done=20
> for 40+ years starting with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, CW, QRP and=20
> QRO and even microwaves.

> Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA

> m5fra.org.uk
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<DIV>Pete, I live within the law and hope I have respect for other people=
 and users of the spectrum. Your attitude to band plans is a perfect exampl=
e of what is wrong with the hobby.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Colin - M5FRA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>------ Original Message ------<BR>From: "M0FMT" &lt;m0fm=
t@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<BR>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" &lt;rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org&gt;<BR>Sent: 04/01/2013 11:57:13<BR>Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF:=
 477 A local SSB chat band ?<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Hi Colin </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>What century do you live in? The days of deference are long long=
 gone. It is a right to have access to the RF spectrum there is no <SPAN=
 id=3Dmisspell-0><SPAN>privilege</SPAN></SPAN> about it. We accept governme=
ntal control in a self interested way. The CBers taught us that!</SPAN></DI=
V>
<DIV><SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>Having said that you have a right to your opinion of couse. But&=
nbsp; band planning it's like the family trees in companies, you are given=
 one when you join and over time find out how the outfit really runs and=
 it usually looks nothing like that nice neat box chart!! And so it will=
 be on 472/9.</SPAN><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX<BR>
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 - Colin &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:m5fra@btinternet.com"><A href=3D"mailto:m5fr=
a@btinternet.com">m5fra@btinternet.com</A></A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o=
rg"><A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
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<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>I am sorry but =
I did not express myself very clearly in the last couple of posts and there=
 were lots of typos. I will attempt to explain why I am opposed to digital=
 voice/SSB on 630m.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>The main reason=
 is that although it is technically possible it is impractical as it will=
 take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth which will effectively deny=
 other people the space to operate.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>The idea that it=
 could be daylight hours only, VOX only etc etc&nbsp;as a gentlemen=E2=80=
=99s agreement is wildly optimistic in light of the abuse of the other gent=
lemen=E2=80=99s agreements called bandplans. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>I also feel strong=
ly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not a right. I know for sure=
 that there is a lot of abuse of license conditions and have heard ops open=
ly admit to running 1kw+ in order to work DX or to =E2=80=98level the playi=
ng field=E2=80=99 in contests. That sort of abuse will only do us harm and=
 although some argue that Ofcom are not interested in such things let me=
 assure you that they are. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>The new 630m band=
 is allocated on a secondary basis to aeronautical mobile users. There are=
 still NDBs within the band and some countries impose restriction or deny=
 access to 630m altogether because of the shared use. It will only take =
somebody to either accidentally or deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user=
 for us to lose the band or face more restrictions. I can see the headlines=
 now!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>Finally, and I =
will not post here again on this subject, I am not anti SSB, anti contests,=
 anti much else, but do believe we need a responsible attitude to how we=
 use the bands. We should not be constantly pushing for change to suit our=
 own interests or deliberately flouting the law, in the long term that will=
 only lead to loss of privilege not more access. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV class=3Dyiv1333205310MsoNormal><FONT face=3DVerdana>And to answer an=
 aggressive&nbsp;direct email which suggested I **** off and play somewhere=
 else, yes I do operate digital modes and have done for 40+ years starting=
 with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, CW, QRP and QRO and even microwaves.</FON=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><A href=3D"http://www.m5fra.org.uk/" =
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