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What we do not, in any way, need is an incident that draws attention to the hobby. I can just see the 'red tops' baying for blood at our expense. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.146.182.242 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f9f85a03ab18710b130c40acc03380f0 Subject: Re[2]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? 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Seems that passes for=20 democracy these days. As for your assertion that "there are no=20 sanctions" do not believe it. There is an organisation that could kill=20 UK 630m activity with a single phone call if aeronautical safety was=20 deemed to be in jeopardy and that is still possible. Also, having=20 spoken to Ofcom about other matters I know they are fully aware of what=20 is happening in ham radio and I am sure they will take action if it is=20 deemed necessary. What we do not, in any way, need is an incident that = draws attention to the hobby. I=20 can just see the 'red tops' baying for blood at our expense.=20 So, I am QRT of 630m now, will return to HF QRP CW where hopefully=20 there are still some gentleman ops left in this mayhem called modern=20 amateur radio.=20 Colin - M5FRA m5fra.org.uk ------ Original Message ------ From: "M0FMT" To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Sent: 04/01/2013 11:43:07 Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? >Hi All >As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While we= debate the issue take a listen. >Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There are no=20 >sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by example=20 >and common purpose.=20 >The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true but the=20 >channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with the barrennes= s. If you read my comments about 4m where locally a very=20 >large number of people had converted PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45= and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation with its "Vogo= n" like tick the box mentality balls it all up with a band plan that in = short time killed=20 >that activity stone dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more=20 >planned. No body ever dives into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a=20 >bit. Or even understands the band of fast rising s9+ FM signals on=20 >70.45 which was the local chat qrg and watering hole out to Croatia. Just= imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by that time he's=20 >gone heard it happen. Sorry to bang on but prescriptive control=20 >stifles invention not just technical but operating ingenuity.=20 >And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we=20 >speak! No call signs no pack drill. >Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that waggly= thing if any one can read me being an old GAIT. >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX --------=_MBC0F0595D-C7E1-4748-80F7-7AA7DC704AB4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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Pete, so the vocal minority always get their way? Seems that pass= es for democracy these days.  As for your assertion that "there are= no sanctions" do not believe it. There is an organisation that could kill= UK 630m activity with a single phone call if aeronautical safety was deeme= d to be in jeopardy and that is still possible. Also, having spoken to Ofco= m about other matters I know they are fully aware of what is happening in= ham radio and I am sure they will take action if it is deemed necessa= ry. What we do not, in any way<= /SPAN>, need  is an incident that draws attention to the hobby. I can= just see the 'red tops' baying for blood at our expense.
 
So, I am QRT of 630m now, will return to HF QRP CW where hopefull= y there are still some gentleman ops left in this mayhem called modern= amateur radio. 
 
Colin - M5FRA
 


------ Original Message ------
From: "M0FMT" <m0fm= t@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org>
Sent: 04/01/2013 11:43:07
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A= local SSB chat band ?
Hi All
As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While we debate the issue take a listen.
Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There= are no sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by exam= ple and common purpose. 
 
The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true= but the channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with= the barrenness. If you read= my comments about 4m where locally a very large number of people had conve= rted PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45 and= Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation with its "Vogon" = like tick the box mentality= balls it all up with a band plan that in short time killed that activity= stone dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body ever= dives into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands the= band of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45  which was the local chat= qrg and watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by that time he's gone&nb= sp;heard it happen. Sorry to bang on but pres= criptive control stifles invention not just technical but operating ingenuity.
=  
= And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we speak! = No call signs no pack drill.
=  
= Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that waggly thing if any one can read me= being an old GAIT.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
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