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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Graham, Pete, We have been running ssb here for years on 500kHz, no problems. In the Fall and Winter we have a weekly ssb net on 510 kHz usb. Bob W2ZM (WE2XGR/6) has even been copied by Finbar on ssb. 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Bob W2ZM (WE2XGR/6) has even been copied by Finbar on ssb. I have had good results with slow scan tv on 500 as far out as Ohio, perhaps 600kM from here. 73 Warren K2ORS On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Graham wrote: > ** > Hi Pete > > Its quite obvious that the allocation is quite able to > support normal armature activity , and why not ? its no longer a > experimental allocation , its just the same as 10 or top band , un > expected results today though ! ssb sounds odd , may be as the > path is stable , sstv ? must be a narrow mode , and the 'new' > digital voice is 2KHz , but that requires a linear Tx path > > As for the band edge > > I'm straining to find a engineering reason , that wspr and > qrss has decided to run mid band ? Im sure users had a reasonable > discussion at the introduction of the band , to place the modes at > the edges , with live cw a the lower portion ? its well know that > these long carrier modes cause disruption to other band users and > are well placed at the band edges , 'vanity beacons' is a term I > have seen noted in referral, as occupancy increases , by users not > linked or even aware of discussions taking place on these groups , > i'm sure there will be problems leading to the introduction of > band plan's , for some the plans form part of the licence > conditions .. > > Is Opera a vanity system ? , actually no, it compliments ros- data > mode in that the ave s/n readings can be used to determine if a > path will support the data mode , each having the same averaging > s/n reading taken along the time line , > > 73 -G.. > > > > > > > > > *From:* M0FMT > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Subject:* Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? > > Hi all > > One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during daylight > hours no DXing! > > 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > *From:* Graham > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 16:13 > *Subject:* LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? > > Quite intriguing propagation on this 'new' band > > From some unexpected early 600 mile + Opera decodes last night > , to several wspr TA decodes , [G8's again ..] to today's > test with Gary using USB-SSB voice , > > Where as at 1300z we had 5/9 signals each way as expected > over 25 miles , GI3PDN Ray , called on CW , to give a report of > 5/9 across the Irish Sea , some 100 miles for our two signals , > his CW also in the 5/9/9 region, one wonders how far inland the > signals travelled ? > > After a short 3 way qso, we closed the test round 1330z , may > not of been quite as sociable after dark , but with a small Ae , > 40 x 70 ft iv L and 35 ft Top load vert , 50 watts pep , > results defiantly superior to say 160 mtrs using the same Ae's > > 73 -G > G0NBD > > > > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --089e0141a002a8548904d253e19d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham, Pete,

=A0 =A0 We have bee= n running ssb here for years on 500kHz, no problems.=A0
In = the Fall and Winter we have a weekly ssb net on 510 kHz usb.
Bob W2ZM (W= E2XGR/6) has even been copied by Finbar on ssb.

I have had good results with slow scan tv on 500 as far out = as Ohio, perhaps 600kM from here.

73 W= arren K2ORS


On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&= gt; wrote:
Hi Pete
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Its=A0 quite=A0 obvious that=A0 the=A0 allocation=A0=20 is=A0 =A0quite=A0 able=A0 to=A0 support=A0 normal=A0=A0=20 armature=A0 activity , and=A0 why=A0 not=A0 ? its no=A0 longer a=20 experimental=A0 allocation , its just the=A0 same=A0 as=A0=A0=20 10=A0 or top=A0 band , un expected=A0 results=A0 today though=20 !=A0 ssb=A0 sounds=A0 odd=A0 , may=A0 be=A0 as=A0 the=A0=20 path is=A0 stable ,=A0=A0 sstv ?=A0 must=A0 be a=A0=20 narrow=A0 mode=A0 , and the=A0 'new'=A0 digital=A0 voice=A0 is=20 2KHz=A0 , but that=A0 requires=A0 a=A0 linear=A0 Tx=A0=20 path=A0
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As=A0 for=A0 the=A0 band edge
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=A0I'm =A0straining=A0 to=A0 find=A0 a=A0=20 engineering=A0=A0 reason=A0 , that=A0 wspr=A0 and=A0=20 qrss=A0 has=A0 decided to=A0 run mid band ?=A0Im sure=A0 users=20 had a=A0 reasonable discussion=A0 at the=A0 introduction=A0 of=20 the=A0 band , to=A0 place the=A0 modes=A0 at the=A0 edges=20 ,=A0with=A0 live=A0 cw a the=A0 lower=A0 portion ?=A0=A0its=20 well=A0 know=A0 that=A0 these=A0 long=A0 carrier=A0=20 modes=A0 cause=A0 disruption=A0 to=A0 other=A0 band=A0 users=20 and=A0 are=A0 well=A0 placed=A0 at the=A0=A0band=A0 edges=20 =A0, 'vanity=A0 beacons'=A0 is a term=A0I have=A0 seen=A0=20 noted=A0 in referral, as occupancy=A0 increases , by users=A0 not=A0=20 linked or=A0 even=A0 aware=A0 of=A0 =A0discussions=A0=A0=20 taking place on these=A0 groups , i'm sure there=A0 will=A0=20 be=A0=A0problems=A0 leading=A0 to=A0 the=A0 introduction=A0=20 of =A0band plan's=A0 , for=A0 some=A0 the=A0 plans=A0=20 form=A0 part of the=A0 licence=A0 conditions ..
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Is Opera=A0 a vanity=A0 system=A0? , actually=A0 no, it=A0=20 compliments=A0=A0 ros-=A0 data=A0 mode in that=A0 the=A0 ave=20 s/n=A0=A0 readings=A0 can be used to=A0 determine=A0 if=A0=20 a=A0 path=A0 will=A0 support=A0 the=A0 data=A0 mode ,=20 each=A0 having=A0 the=A0 same=A0=A0 averaging=A0 s/n=A0=20 reading=A0 taken along the=A0 time=A0 line =A0,
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73 -G..
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From: M0FMT
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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Hi all
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One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during=20 daylight hours no DXing!

73 es GL es HNY=A0Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.c= o.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, 2 Jan= uary=20 2013, 16:13
Subject: LF= : 477=20 A local SSB chat band ?

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Quite=A0 intriguing=A0 propagation=A0 on this=A0 'new'=A0=20 band
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From=A0 some=A0 unexpected=A0 early=A0 600 mile=A0=20 +=A0=A0 Opera=A0 decodes=A0 last=A0 night=A0 , to=A0=20 several=A0=A0 wspr=A0=A0 TA=A0 decodes ,=A0 [G8's=A0=20 again ..]=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0to=A0=A0 today's=A0=A0=20 test=A0 with=A0 Gary=A0 using=A0=A0 USB-SSB=A0 voice ,=20
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Where=A0 as=A0at=A0=A0=A01300z=A0 =A0we=A0=20 had=A0 5/9=A0 signals each=A0 way=A0 as=A0 expected=A0=A0=20 over 25 miles=A0 ,=A0 GI3PDN=A0=A0 Ray=A0 , called=A0 on CW=20 , to=A0=A0 give=A0 a=A0 report of=A0 5/9 across=A0 the=A0=20 Irish=A0=A0 Sea=A0 , some=A0 100=A0 miles=A0 for=A0=20 our=A0 two=A0 signals , his=A0 CW also=A0 in the=A0 5/9/9=A0=20 region, one=A0 wonders=A0 how=A0 far=A0 inland=A0 the=20 signals=A0 travelled=A0 ?
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After a=A0 short 3=A0 way=A0 qso,=A0 we closed the=A0=20 test=A0 round 1330z=A0 ,=A0 may=A0 not=A0of been=20 =A0quite=A0 as=A0 sociable=A0 after=A0 dark=A0 , but=A0=20 with a=A0 small=A0 Ae=A0 , 40 x 70=A0 ft=A0 iv L=A0=20 and=A0=A0 35=A0 ft=A0 Top load=A0 vert=A0 , 50=A0=20 watts=A0 pep=A0 , results=A0 defiantly=A0=A0 superior=A0=20 to=A0 say=A0 160=A0 mtrs=A0 using=A0 the=A0 same=A0 Ae's=20
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73 -G
G0NBD
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73 Warren K2= ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

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