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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello the list, Some time back I made comments about my using ssb and sstv on 600m, however since I did not give a complete picture and it is possible to draw false conclusions from what I said. When the WE2XGR license was issued back in 2007 I requested on the application and was granted 505-515 kHz.. WE2XGR was the ONLY licensee to have access to 510-515kHz (until very recently, now WG2XJM also has privileges there). When we decided to operate ssb we chose to get on 510kHz upper sideband so as not cause QRM with other users (there were no other users above 510 !). That said the ssb operation consists of a once a week net at 0200 UTC Monday (Sunday night here) that typically lasts 20-30 minutes. 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When the WE2XGR license was issued back in 2007 I requested on the application and was granted 505-515 kHz.. WE2XGR was the ONLY licensee to have access to 510-515kHz (until very recently, now WG2XJM also has privileges there). When we decided to operate ssb we chose to get on 510kHz upper sideband so as not cause QRM with other users (there were no other users above 510 !). That said the ssb operation consists of a once a week net at 0200 UTC Monday (Sunday night here) that typically lasts 20-30 minutes. The other 10,050 minutes in a week there is no operation on ssb there or anywhere else! My point is that WE2XGR was in the unique position of having access to spectrum that it did not share with other users so QRM is a non-issue. Putting an ssb signal on a 7kHz wide shared band is a completely different matter. I was concerned that my comments about using ssb on 600m could be construed as an endorsement of this mode on a small slice of spectrum which is being offered to hams, this is not in fact the case. 73 Warren K2ORS On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stefan Sch=E4fer < Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote: > ** > Hi Colin, > > Good point. > > Am 04.01.2013 09:24, schrieb M5FRA - Colin: > > [...] As an ex G8 who learned Morse in spite of a chronic medical > condition I would say just get on a do it. The rewards are well worth the > effort. Or maybe effort is a dirty word? > > almost as dirty as discipline ;-) > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --f46d041827001d975104d278a27f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello the list,

=A0 =A0 =A0Some time ba= ck I made comments about my using ssb and sstv on 600m, however since =A0I = did not give a complete picture and it is possible to draw false conclusion= s from what I said.
=A0 =A0 =A0 When the WE2XGR license was issued back in 2007 =A0I reque= sted on the application and was granted 505-515 kHz.. WE2XGR was the ONLY l= icensee to have access to 510-515kHz (until very recently, now WG2XJM also = has privileges there). When we decided to operate ssb we chose to get on 51= 0kHz upper sideband so as not cause QRM with other users (there were no oth= er users above 510 !).
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0That said the ssb operation consists of a once a week n= et at 0200 UTC Monday (Sunday night here) that typically lasts 20-30 minute= s. The other 10,050 minutes in a week there is no operation on ssb there or= anywhere else!

=A0 =A0 =A0 My point is that WE2XGR was in the unique p= osition of having access to spectrum that it did not share with other users= so QRM is a non-issue.
Putting an ssb signal on a 7kHz wide shar= ed band is a completely different matter. =A0I was concerned that my commen= ts about using ssb on 600m could be construed as an endorsement of this mod= e on a small slice of spectrum which is being offered to hams, this is not = in fact the case.

73 Warren K2ORS

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Stefan Sch=E4f= er <Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> wrote:
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Hi Colin,

Good point.

Am 04.01.2013 09:24, schrieb M5FRA - Colin:
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[...] As an ex G8 who learned Morse in spite of a chronic medical condition I would say just get on a do it. The rewards are well worth the effort. Or maybe effort is a dirty word?
almost as dirty as discipline ;-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC



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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

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