Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 47CB5380000AB; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:15:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TrVRj-00058X-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:14:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TrVRj-00058O-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:14:03 +0000 Received: from mail-qc0-f173.google.com ([209.85.216.173]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TrVRf-0004q5-O4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:14:02 +0000 Received: by mail-qc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id b12so9923306qca.32 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PTQ+MBNshBubBSju974u05aRi6w6flyNc7Wf9aZNVuM=; b=KyZsj/l7G3+WD0ZZAkhx0b8yAADYdX+U7UNwNEdfa4hWWKP8X0HspmfB5qheTxkIvY PR3v7fW9oUwtVJsxuwZbwin+QYvWaRiK3CFjWqHZ652m9euNw8SZZYv5PzkK7RQl6gts FRFOpy87lD4z79D46+trZeV4swkVfnivUqDJHyMmj/3GoIY9WukkkUMMR6qtrP3mSc9s dN6RaPFZ4ndNoFiEx0MOpbKtelPuuLFApS9710gp3IV3EEfMYXJi6h6//hEJuYQrzCPT gPf/61wKB01V9MIBk/fJiz1ZUVcVYPBdsnJs4FZjLthP4ylOv+ZhxMZY/ZyfmMkU3896 C8FQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.59.48 with SMTP id w16mr41696056qeq.38.1357398817661; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.156.18 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:13:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <28CB8EF648E7418BB5C2D4802F72C23C@IBM7FFA209F07C> References: <28CB8EF648E7418BB5C2D4802F72C23C@IBM7FFA209F07C> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 15:13:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Just tell me where to operate CW, QRSS, WSPR and JT9 etc and I will willingly follow any gentleman's agreement or more formal plan. Personally I think a "light touch" outline bandplan IS now needed. No rules, just a sensible way of organising that will maximise everyone's enjoyment of their chosen modes with minimal interference to other amateurs and to NDBs. People do not have to rigidly follow it, but it would benefit all if we did. 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Personally I think a "light touch" outline bandplan IS now needed. No rules, just a sensible way of organising that will maximise everyone's enjoyment of their chosen modes with minimal interference to other amateurs and to NDBs. People do not have to rigidly follow it, but it would benefit all if we did. 73s Roger G3XBM On 5 January 2013 14:04, Chris wrote: > ** > Who started the trend to have QRSS in the middle of the 'new' band? There > are two extremely strong signals there now as I write this. I would have > thought any mode that requires long plain carriers would be better suited > to near the band edges. > Three German operators suggested a band plan during late September, in > which QRSS was near the bottom of the band. As far as I remember this plan > was met with some hostility. > It has been suggested that people will not stick to a band plan. I find > this hard to believe, particularly in respect of QRSS, if they want their > signals to be found. > Another problem I would suggest, is just how many know how to > measure/calculate their EIRP? I have noticed several contributors to this > reflector refer to ERP. > Food for thought? > Vy 73, > Chris, G4AYT. > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ --047d7b6d88da5860e904d28c0aa9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just tell me where to operate CW, QRSS, WSP= R and JT9 etc and I will willingly follow any gentleman's agreement or = more formal plan.

Personally I think a "light touch"= outline bandplan IS now needed. No rules, just a sensible way of organisin= g that will maximise everyone's enjoyment of their chosen modes with mi= nimal interference to other amateurs and to NDBs. People do not have to rig= idly follow it, but it would benefit all if we did.

73s
Roger G3XBM

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On 5 January 2013 14:04, Chris <c.a= shby435@btinternet.com> wrote:
Who started the trend to have QRSS in the middle = of=20 the 'new' band? There are two extremely strong signals there now as= I write=20 this. I would have thought any mode that requires long plain carriers would= be=20 better suited to near the band edges.
Three German operators suggested a band plan duri= ng=20 late September, in which QRSS was near the bottom of the band. As far as I= =20 remember this plan was met with some hostility.
It has been suggested that people will not stick = to=20 a band plan. I find this hard to believe, particularly in respect of QRSS, = if=20 they want their signals to be found.
Another problem I would suggest, is just how many= =20 know how to measure/calculate their EIRP? I have noticed several contributo= rs to=20 this reflector refer to ERP.
Food for thought?
Vy 73,
Chris, G4AYT.



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https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
http://qss2.blogspot.com/

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