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[...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 826f0ea42f5cf3c84a6f3a877245ef10 Subject: Re: Fw: LF: 475kHz crystal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2EAB_01CDED85.8AB910F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604b50ebe23b5e7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2EAB_01CDED85.8AB910F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: M0FMT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Fw: LF: 475kHz crystal Thanks for the info Dimitrios. Please let the list know when you have got something with that rig = design it sounds good. I hope you will publish the HEX code for the PIC = as I can program the chips so long as I have it. Its my biggest gripe = that PIC projects leave you high and dry without the HEX code. However I like the idea of the little rig. I will get an e bay xtal as = well .... great stuff!! Here I have a series of tube QRP rigs 160/80 CW AM FM FSK xtal/VFO and = a 10meter CW FSK xtal 28.060 and a 600m rig 6.500-6.000=3D0.5 xtal mixer = vxo which is now modified for 472/9 all based around 12ax7 6au6 and 6CL6 = pa. The 630m version is now modified with yet another 12AX7 to carrier = controlled screen ac couple AM modulation. Yes we are playing with QRP = AM on 630m it doesn't have much range but is OK cross town but we are = aware of other 630m users. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013, 21:17 Subject: Re: Fw: LF: 475kHz crystal Hi Pete, It's always good to know there is a decent and reliable (and not expensive!) crystal seller! By the way, I noticed that since I posted this message, about half a dozen 15200 kHz crystals were sold on eBay. Shall we be looking for for some 475 kHz signals in the near future? :-) I am planning to produce the simplest transmitter ever for 475 kHz and put the = write-up in my web page. So far, this is the idea: A PIC ('cause I have = plenty) produces the QRSS keying. It connects to the reset pin of a = 74HC4060. There is a xtal oscillator on the 74HC4060 using the 15.2 MHz xtal. The output feeds a logic-level gate MOSFET. At this stage I am = looking for a suitable MOSFET that can be driven directly by 5 V. There are plenty out there, any suggestions are welcome! Here in Oz, and while we wait for the international community to produce a band plan, we decided to concentrate all our activities on 475 kHz for QRSS/Digital and 473 for normal CW. Given the = transmitting station density, it's perfectly OK to have QRSS signal mixed up with WSPR signals here. In fact, it is desirable to do that, as with a whopping 7 kHz of space, sub-noise signals are like the proverbial needle in the haystack. 73, Dimitris VK1SV 2013/1/8 M0FMT : > Hi Dimitrios > > Sorry my lovely chart will not go through blacksheep so here is = the raw > list.. > > Thks fr enquiry Peter > OK have flwg ex-stock:- > 15.010MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab = .... > =A32-95/unit > 15.01875MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.0222MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.02246MHz HC6/U pin end, Glassholder, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load = C, Good > Freq Stab ... =A33-95/unit > 15.0865MHz HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.1125MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.12084MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.128MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab = .... > =A32-95/unit > 15.150MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.1515MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.1792MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.200MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A33-25/unit > 15.2125MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.2209MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.2209MHz HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.225MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A33-25/unit > 15.2292MHz HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.24074MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.250MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A33-25/unit > 15.26875MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > 15.275MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A33-25/unit > 15.2963MHz HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab ... > =A32-95/unit > > > > Hi Dimitrios > > See attached list of 15meg xtals with prices from Vincent Jakomin = a > thoroughly good guy!! No, no shares in his company. > For Europe p&p is =A32-50 1st Class Airmail. > Send to:- > Vincent Jakomin > 69 Angus Close > CHESSINGTON > Surtrey KT9 2BN > vincent jakomin ; > > Not sure if the Blacksheep will handle a file of 350kb so copy = direct as > well. > > Good luck > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > From: Dimitrios Tsifakis > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013, 5:24 > Subject: LF: 475kHz crystal > > Hello LF/MF group, > > I though this may be of interest to those what would like to build = the > simplest transmitter possible for MF. > > I found these cheap crystals on eBay: > > = http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-PCS-15200-KHz-HC-49-U-X-TAL-Bargain-Pack-HC4= 9U-/320828846717?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=3Dite= m4ab2e3b27d > > They are 15200 kHz which can be conveniently used with a 74HC4060 = to > make an oscillator, then connect to the divide_by_32 line for a = nice, > stable 475 kHz signal. You can then drive a class-E FET PA for any > kind of power you like. > > 73, Dimitris VK1SV > > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_2EAB_01CDED85.8AB910F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 M0FMT
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 = 1:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: LF: 475kHz = crystal

Thanks for the info Dimitrios.
 
Please let the list know when you have got something with = that rig=20 design it sounds good. I hope you will publish the HEX code for the = PIC as I=20 can program the chips so long as I have it. Its my biggest gripe that = PIC=20 projects leave you high and dry without the HEX code.
 
However I like the idea of the little rig. I will get = an e bay=20 xtal as well  .... great stuff!!
 
Here I have a series of tube QRP rigs 160/80 CW AM FM FSK = xtal/VFO=20 and a 10meter CW FSK xtal 28.060 and a 600m rig = 6.500-6.000=3D0.5 xtal=20 mixer vxo which is now modified for 472/9 all based around 12ax7 = 6au6 and=20 6CL6 pa. The 630m version is now modified with yet another 12AX7 to = carrier=20 controlled screen ac couple AM modulation. Yes we are playing with QRP = AM on=20 630m it doesn't have much range but is OK cross town but we are = aware of=20 other 630m users.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Dimitrios Tsifakis=20 <dtsifakis@gmail.com>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, 7 = January=20 2013, 21:17
Subject: Re:=20 Fw: LF: 475kHz crystal

Hi Pete,

It's = always good=20 to know there is a decent and reliable (and not
expensive!) = crystal=20 seller!

By the way, I noticed that since I posted this = message, about=20 half a
dozen 15200 kHz crystals were sold on eBay. Shall we be = looking=20 for
for some 475 kHz signals in the near future? :-) I am = planning=20 to
produce the simplest transmitter ever for 475 kHz and put the=20 write-up
in my web page. So far, this is the idea: A PIC ('cause = I have=20 plenty)
produces the QRSS keying. It connects to the reset pin of = a=20 74HC4060.
There is a xtal oscillator on the 74HC4060 using the = 15.2 MHz=20 xtal.
The output feeds a logic-level gate MOSFET. At this stage I = am=20 looking
for a suitable MOSFET that can be driven directly by 5 V. = There=20 are
plenty out there, any suggestions are = welcome!


Here in Oz,=20 and while we wait for the international community to
produce a = band plan,=20 we decided to concentrate all our activities on
475 kHz for = QRSS/Digital=20 and 473 for normal CW. Given the transmitting
station density, = it's=20 perfectly OK to have QRSS signal mixed up with
WSPR signals here. = In=20 fact, it is desirable to do that, as with a
whopping 7 kHz of = space,=20 sub-noise signals are like the proverbial
needle in the=20 haystack.

73, Dimitris VK1SV

2013/1/8 M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>:
> = Hi=20 Dimitrios
>
> Sorry my lovely chart will not go through=20 blacksheep so here is the raw
> list..
>
> Thks fr = enquiry=20 Peter
> OK have flwg ex-stock:-
> 15.010MHz HC6/U pin = end, Fund,=20 Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> = 15.01875MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab=20 ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.0222MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, = Par Res,=20 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> = 15.02246MHz HC6/U=20 pin end, Glassholder, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Good
> Freq = Stab ...=20 =A33-95/unit
> 15.0865MHz HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF = load C,=20 Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.1125MHz HC18/U = wire end,=20 Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> = =A32-95/unit
>=20 15.12084MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab=20 ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.128MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par = Res, 30pF=20 load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.150MHz = HC18/U wire=20 end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
>=20 =A32-95/unit
> 15.1515MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF = load C,=20 Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.1792MHz HC6/U pin = end, Fund,=20 Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> = 15.200MHz=20 HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab = ....
>=20 =A33-25/unit
> 15.2125MHz HC6/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF = load C, Std=20 Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.2209MHz HC6/U pin end, = Fund, Par=20 Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A32-95/unit
> = 15.2209MHz=20 HC25/U pin end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab = ....
>=20 =A32-95/unit
> 15.225MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF = load C,=20 Std Freq Stab ...
> =A33-25/unit
> 15.2292MHz HC25/U pin = end,=20 Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> = =A32-95/unit
>=20 15.24074MHz HC18/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq = Stab=20 ...
> =A32-95/unit
> 15.250MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, = Par Res,=20 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
> =A33-25/unit
> = 15.26875MHz HC18/U=20 wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
>=20 =A32-95/unit
> 15.275MHz HC49/U wire end, Fund, Par Res, 30pF = load C,=20 Std Freq Stab ...
> =A33-25/unit
> 15.2963MHz HC25/U pin = end,=20 Fund, Par Res, 30pF load C, Std Freq Stab ...
>=20 =A32-95/unit
>
>
>
> Hi = Dimitrios
>
> See=20 attached list of 15meg xtals with prices from Vincent Jakomin = a
>=20 thoroughly good guy!! No, no shares in his company.
> For = Europe=20 p&p is =A32-50 1st Class Airmail.
> Send to:-
> = Vincent=20 Jakomin
> 69 Angus Close
> CHESSINGTON
> Surtrey = KT9=20 2BN
> vincent jakomin <vincentvoy@hotmail.co.uk&= gt;;
>
>=20 Not sure if the Blacksheep will handle a file of 350kb so copy = direct=20 as
> well.
>
> Good luck
> 73 es GL Pete = M0FMT=20 IO91UX
>
> From: Dimitrios Tsifakis <dtsifakis@gmail.com>
>= ; To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
>=20 Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013, 5:24
> Subject: LF: 475kHz=20 crystal
>
> Hello LF/MF group,
>
> I though = this may=20 be of interest to those what would like to build the
> = simplest=20 transmitter possible for MF.
>
> I found these cheap = crystals on=20 eBay:
>
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-PCS-15200-KHz-HC-49-U-X-TAL-= Bargain-Pack-HC49U-/320828846717?pt=3DUK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Suppli= es_ET&hash=3Ditem4ab2e3b27d
>
>=20 They are 15200 kHz which can be conveniently used with a 74HC4060 = to
>=20 make an oscillator, then connect to the divide_by_32 line for a=20 nice,
> stable 475 kHz signal. You can then drive a class-E = FET PA for=20 any
> kind of power you like.
>
> 73, Dimitris=20 = VK1SV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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