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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Forgiven Pete! :-) On 5 Jan 2013, at 21:24, M0FMT wrote: > Roger ... Mike es all > > Sorry..... :o( > > Regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 19:45 > Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz > > Pete, > > Honestly, is this helpful? > > I have a lot of respect for Mike and others like him, and this sort of attitude is totally uncalled for. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > > > > On 5 January 2013 18:46, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Mike > > We know the RSGB owns the spectrum and want to control every issue to do with it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their policemen making life for anyone without the £5000 pound rig advertised in the RADCOM not welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles on the channel. > > Your e-mail to me a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136, but I never complained about your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too on the band. So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that have have entry numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done the policeman's charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and limits experimentation. These may not be of the PhD variety but are of the self training variety which is the Amateur radio licence variety. > > I don't give a toss about the RSGB 's rules and I will use the spectrum within sensible limits how I want and in line with what is in my licence. > > You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging the bands with repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain when a real radio amateur wants to do some off the wall tests that with in the acres of empty spectrum on VHF people who you never hear in qso suddenly come up and say you can't do that here it's what your numbered lists policies create. > > And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are creating clones out of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rogerlapthorn[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE RAW: Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 46fde0e85bb17687e691200506d0382f Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-ABF79008-0A8D-46A1-8DF4-0DBBD7CDAAC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d850e8b9b27cf3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail-ABF79008-0A8D-46A1-8DF4-0DBBD7CDAAC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forgiven Pete! :-) On 5 Jan 2013, at 21:24, M0FMT wrote: > Roger ... Mike es all > =20 > Sorry..... :o( > =20 > Regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Roger Lapthorn > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =20 > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 19:45 > Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz >=20 > Pete, >=20 > Honestly, is this helpful?=20 >=20 > I have a lot of respect for Mike and others like him, and this sort of att= itude is totally uncalled for. >=20 > 73s > Roger G3XBM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 5 January 2013 18:46, M0FMT wrote: > Hi Mike > =20 > We know the RSGB owns the spectrum and want to control every issue to do w= ith it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their policemen making l= ife for anyone without the =C2=A35000 pound rig advertised in the RADCOM not= welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles on the channel. > =20 > Your e-mail to me a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136, but I never= complained about your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen t= oo on the band. So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists tha= t have have entry numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done the= policeman's charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alrigh= t jack" attitude and limits experimentation. These may not be of the PhD var= iety but are of the self training variety which is the Amateur radio licence= variety. > =20 > I don't give a toss about the RSGB 's rules and I will use the spectrum wi= thin sensible limits how I want and in line with what is in my licence. > =20 > You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging the bands w= ith repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain when a re= al radio amateur wants to do some off the wall tests that with in the acres o= f empty spectrum on VHF people who you never hear in qso suddenly come up a= nd say you can't do that here it's what your numbered lists policies create.= > =20 > And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are creating= clones out of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the spectrum but i= ts not your spectrum....... and in any case things have changed in the world= and I don't think people will stand for Diktat as they might have done in t= he passed. > =20 > So long as us amateur stay inside the band limits and our EIRPs are sensib= le that is all authority is expecting us to do and what else we do I don't t= hink they care about provided its not mischievous. Also my guess is they wil= l tolerate the odd transgression without comment unless it is taking the Mic= key out of our contract (the licence). > =20 > I would say cool the Captain Blimp approach and rub along with things and t= hey may not turn out to be as bad as you think. Alternatively some of us who= are fed up with lists with numbers will migrate out of amateur bands and do= our own thing like quite a few are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80m 4= 0m 20m etc there's a parallel universe of amateurs, even though getting a li= cence is a doddle these days.... why? > =20 > Just get real and rub along with what people want to do, you will hardly n= otice a bit of AM, like the RSGB call sign isn't it GB3FUN? > =20 > And if my electric bill could stand it I would probably run a KW like you u= sing an old Decca commercial TX with its whiskers ever looked at an SDR wate= rfall? My 5watts tube tx a real threat? > =20 > Mike I won't apologies for the forgoing but I don't want to fall out with a= nyone however it cannot be a one sided argument and Diktat and toys out the p= ram is not the way to go, an arm round the shoulder does more than any amoun= t of "Laws" and lets face it no one will be hurt (unless you put you fingers= in that KW PSU you use on 136?). > =20 > Best regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX > From: Mike Dennison > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 17:13 >=20 > Subject: LF: AM on 472kHz >=20 > Making a complete mockery of any attempt to persuade users of=20 > different modes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now going on in=20 > the middle of the band! >=20 > I give up! >=20 > Mike, G3XDV >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/ > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ > http://qss2.blogspot.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-ABF79008-0A8D-46A1-8DF4-0DBBD7CDAAC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forgiven Pete! :-)



On 5 Jan 2013, at 21:24, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Roger ... Mike es all
 
Sorry..... :o(
 
Regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
To: "rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 19:45
Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz
Pete,
<= br>
Honestly, is this helpful?

I have a lot of respect for Mike= and others like him, and this sort of attitude is totally uncalled for.
=
73s
Roger G3XBM


=

On 5 January 2013 18:46, M0FM= T <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Mike
<= div> 
We know the RSGB owns the spectrum and want to control every issu= e to do with it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their policemen making life for anyone without the =C2=A35000 pou= nd rig advertised in the RADCOM not welcome if your centre frequency was not= with a few cycles on the channel.
 
Your e-mail to me a while ago a= bout my paltry 50watts on 136,  but I never complained about your 1000w= atts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too on the band. So why do th= e pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that have have entry  numb= ers, of things that can be done and can't be done the policeman'= s charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and limi= ts experimentation. These may not be of the PhD variety but are of the self training variety which is the Amateur radio licenc= e variety.
 
I don't give a toss about the RSGB '= s rules and I will use the spectrum within sensible limits how I want and in= line with what is in my licence.
 
=
You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging th= e bands with repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain w= hen a real radio amateur wants to do some off the wall tests that with i= n the acres of empty spectrum  on VHF people who you never hear in qso s= uddenly come up and say you can't do that here it's what your numbered lists= policies create.
 
 And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are creating clones o= ut of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the spectrum but its not yo= ur spectrum....... and in any case things have changed in the world and I do= n't think people will stand for Diktat as they might have done in the passed= .
 
So long as us amateur stay inside t= he band limits and our EIRPs are sensible that is all authority is expecting= us to do and what else we do I don't think they c= are about provided its not mischievous. Also my guess is they will tolerate t= he odd transgression without comment unless it is taking the Mickey out of o= ur contract (the licence).
 
I would say cool the Captain Blimp a= pproach and rub along with things and they may not turn out to be as bad as y= ou think. Alternatively some of us wh= o are fed up with lists with numbers will migrate out of amateur bands and d= o our own thing like quite a few are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80m= 40m 20m etc there's a parallel unive= rse of amateurs, even though getting a licence is a doddle these days.... wh= y?
 
Just get real and rub along with wh= at people want to do, you will hardly notice a bit of AM, like the RSGB call= sign isn't it GB3FUN?
 
= And if my electric bill could stand it I would pro= bably run a KW like you using an old Decca commercial TX w= ith its whiskers ever looked at an SDR waterfall? M= y 5watts tube tx a real threat?
 
Mike I won't <= span>apologies for the forgoing but I don't want to fall= out with anyone however it cannot be a one sided argument and Diktat a= nd toys out the pram is not the way to go, an arm round the shoulder does mo= re than any amount of "Laws" and lets face it no one will be hurt (unless yo= u put you fingers in that KW PSU you use on 136?).
 
Best regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO9= 1UX
From: Mike Dennison= <mike.dennison@ntlworl= d.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2= 013, 17:13

Subject: LF: AM on 472kHz

Making a complete mockery of any attempt to persuade users of
different m= odes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now going on in
the middle of t= he band!

I give up!

Mike, G3XDV



 

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