Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 960573800008E; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TxPt2-00088d-MD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:30:40 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TxPt2-00088U-5s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:30:40 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TxPss-0004el-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:30:39 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0LMUTMf012460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:30:29 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id r0LMUSxS012716 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:30:28 +0100 Message-ID: <50FDC17F.1000305@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 23:30:23 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <50FD8A44.5010705@gmx.de> <50FD8D96.80203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <50FDA72B.2070808@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <50FDA72B.2070808@gmx.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id r0LMUTMf012460 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Hartmut, Yes, it is very difficult. But you can make a personal estimation. For example, i got no decode at YV7MAE although he did receive my complete callsign in DFCW-90. But W4DEX got decodes although i am not strong enough to leave my call in DFCW-10, i think ;-) Compared to DFCW-90, WSPR-15 only needs 1/3 of the time and sends more information (DK7FC JN49 30dBm). Anyway, from my point of view, if there is no decode in WSPR but some clear traces giving a clear ID, DFCW-90 would win, regardless how long it takes and how much information is sent. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c1f72e5acb1277e013f90c915ad7ad68 Subject: Re: LF: WE2XEB WSPR15 decodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b9550fdc1dc0cf7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Hartmut, Yes, it is very difficult. But you can make a personal estimation. For example, i got no decode at YV7MAE although he did receive my=20 complete callsign in DFCW-90. But W4DEX got decodes although i am not=20 strong enough to leave my call in DFCW-10, i think ;-) Compared to DFCW-90, WSPR-15 only needs 1/3 of the time and sends more=20 information (DK7FC JN49 30dBm). Anyway, from my point of view, if there=20 is no decode in WSPR but some clear traces giving a clear ID, DFCW-90=20 would win, regardless how long it takes and how much information is sent. 73, Stefan Am 21.01.2013 21:38, schrieb Hartmut Wolff: > Am 2013-01-21 19:48, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> What do you think, which QRSS mode is about as sensitive as WSPR-15, >> from your subjective impression? >> I would think it must be something arround DFCW-30. But we have to go = on >> with further tests. At least it is very promising! > > Hi Stefan, > > it's difficult to compare QRSS or DFCW with a digital mode. Last night=20 > I only copied XGJ in QRSS60 mode. For a real comparison there is to=20 > little activity. >