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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Very sad to see you go Colin. I almost came to the same conclusion recently (go QRT on MF), but decided to wait how things develop. See you HF QRP ! 73, Wolf . [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) 0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 5e4f7dbaa4e67ba4f35166ebb5a870be Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090803050907040404040803" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d605a50e6ce161bbd X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090803050907040404040803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very sad to see you go Colin. I almost came to the same conclusion recently (go QRT on MF), but decided to wait how things develop. See you HF QRP ! 73, Wolf . Am 04.01.2013 13:08, schrieb M5FRA - Colin: > +++ OFFLIST +++ > Pete, so the vocal minority always get their way? Seems that passes > for democracy these days. As for your assertion that "there are no > sanctions" do not believe it. There is an organisation that could kill > UK 630m activity with a single phone call if aeronautical safety was > deemed to be in jeopardy and that is still possible. Also, having > spoken to Ofcom about other matters I know they are fully aware of > what is happening in ham radio and I am sure they will take action if > it is deemed necessary. What we do not, in any way, need is an > incident that draws attention to the hobby. I can just see the 'red > tops' baying for blood at our expense. > So, I am QRT of 630m now, will return to HF QRP CW where hopefully > there are still some gentleman ops left in this mayhem called modern > amateur radio. > Colin - M5FRA > m5fra.org.uk > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "M0FMT" > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Sent: 04/01/2013 11:43:07 > Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? >> Hi All >> As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While >> we debate the issue take a listen. >> Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There are no >> sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by >> example and common purpose. >> The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true but the >> channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with the >> barrenness. If you read my comments about 4m where locally a very >> large number of people had converted PMR kit and were Xtaled up for >> 70.45 and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation >> with its "Vogon" like tick the box mentality balls it all up with a >> band plan that in short time killed that activity stone dead. Oh we >> now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body ever dives into >> an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands the band >> of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45 which was the local chat qrg >> and watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh >> please qsy by that time he's gone heard it happen. Sorry to bang on >> but prescriptive control stifles invention not just technical but >> operating ingenuity. >> And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we >> speak! No call signs no pack drill. >> Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that >> waggly thing if any one can read me being an old GAIT. >> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX >> --------------090803050907040404040803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Very sad to see you go Colin.
I almost came to the same conclusion recently (go QRT on MF), but decided to wait how things develop.

See you HF QRP !

73,
  Wolf .

Am 04.01.2013 13:08, schrieb M5FRA - Colin:
+++ OFFLIST +++
 
Pete, so the vocal minority always get their way? Seems that passes for democracy these days.  As for your assertion that "there are no sanctions" do not believe it. There is an organisation that could kill UK 630m activity with a single phone call if aeronautical safety was deemed to be in jeopardy and that is still possible. Also, having spoken to Ofcom about other matters I know they are fully aware of what is happening in ham radio and I am sure they will take action if it is deemed necessary. What we do not, in any way, need  is an incident that draws attention to the hobby. I can just see the 'red tops' baying for blood at our expense.
 
So, I am QRT of 630m now, will return to HF QRP CW where hopefully there are still some gentleman ops left in this mayhem called modern amateur radio. 
 
Colin - M5FRA
 


------ Original Message ------
From: "M0FMT" <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 04/01/2013 11:43:07
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
Hi All
As I said before the Genie is well and truly out of the bottle. While we debate the issue take a listen.
Laws and Diktats are only obeyed if there is a sanction. There are no sanctions, so much better to engender a way of doing things by example and common purpose. 
 
The point about acres of space on space on VHF is true but the channelisation of the those frequencies has a lot to do with the barrenness. If you read my comments about 4m where locally a very large number of people had converted PMR kit and were Xtaled up for 70.45 and Sunday mornings it was joy. Then a certain organisation with its "Vogon" like tick the box mentality balls it all up with a band plan that in short time killed that activity stone dead. Oh we now have parrot repeaters and more planned. No body ever dives into an el cheapo pmr box and learns a bit. Or even understands the band of fast rising s9+ FM signals on 70.45  which was the local chat qrg and watering hole out to Croatia. Just imagine up comes S52XYZ oh please qsy by that time he's gone heard it happen. Sorry to bang on but prescriptive control stifles invention not just technical but operating ingenuity.
 
And this may dismay you all, AM is being used on 472 / 479 as we speak! No call signs no pack drill.
 
Just got my xtal for 472.5 this morning so about to play with that waggly thing if any one can read me being an old GAIT.
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 

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