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Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 21:24:50 +0000 (GMT)
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Roger ... Mike es all=0A=A0=0ASorry..... :o(=0A=0ARegards 73 es GL es HNY=
=A0Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Ro=
ger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>=0A>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> =0A>Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 19:45=
=0A>Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz=0A>  =0A>=0A>Pete,=0A>=0A>Honestly, is th=
is helpful? =0A>=0A>I have a lot of respect for Mike and others like him, a=
nd this sort of attitude is totally uncalled for.=0A>=0A>73s=0A>Roger G3XBM=
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On 5 January 2013 18:46, M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo=
.co.uk> wrote:=0A>=0A>Hi Mike=0A>>=A0 =0A>>We know the RSGB owns the spectr=
um and want to control every issue to do with it like they messed up VHF pa=
rticularly 4m with their policemen making life for anyone without the =A350=
00 pound rig advertised in the RADCOM not welcome if your centre frequency =
was not with a few cycles on the channel. =0A>>=A0=0A>>Your e-mail to=A0me =
a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136, =A0but I never complained about=
 your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too on the band. =
So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that have have ent=
ry =A0numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done the policeman's=
 charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alright jack" att=
itude and limits experimentation. These may not be of the PhD variety but a=
re of the self training variety which is the Amateur radio licence variety.=
 =0A>>=A0=0A>>I don't give a toss about the RSGB 's rules and I will use th=
e spectrum within sensible limits how I want and in line with what is in my=
 licence.=0A>>=A0 =0A>>You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on VHF=
! clagging the bands with repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the chee=
k to complain when a real=A0radio amateur wants to do some off the wall tes=
ts that with in the acres of empty spectrum=A0 on VHF people who you never =
hear in qso suddenly come up and say you can't do that here it's what your =
numbered lists policies create. =0A>>=A0=0A>>=A0And now you are doing it on=
 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are=A0creating clones out of radio ops wh=
o you don't want to trust with the spectrum but its not your spectrum......=
. and in any case things have changed in the world and I don't think people=
 will stand for Diktat as they might have done in the passed. =0A>>=A0=0A>>=
So long as us amateur stay inside the band limits and our EIRPs are sensibl=
e that is all authority is expecting us to do and what else we do I don't t=
hink they care about provided its not mischievous. Also my guess is they wi=
ll tolerate the odd transgression without comment unless it is taking the M=
ickey out of our contract (the licence). =0A>>=A0=0A>>I would say cool the =
Captain Blimp approach and rub along with things and they may not turn out =
to be as bad as you think. Alternatively some of us who are fed up with lis=
ts with numbers will migrate out of amateur bands and do our own thing like=
 quite a few are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80m 40m 20m etc there'=
s a parallel universe of amateurs, even though getting a licence is a doddl=
e these days.... why? =0A>>=A0=0A>>Just get real and rub along with what pe=
ople want to do, you will hardly notice a bit of AM, like the RSGB call sig=
n isn't it GB3FUN?=0A>>=A0=0A>>And if my electric bill could stand it I wou=
ld probably run a KW like you using an old=A0Decca commercial TX with its w=
hiskers ever looked at an SDR waterfall? My 5watts tube tx a real threat?=
=0A>>=A0=0A>>Mike I won't apologies for the forgoing but I don't want to fa=
ll out with anyone=A0however it cannot be a one sided argument and Diktat a=
nd toys out the pram is not the way to go, an arm round the shoulder does m=
ore than any amount of "Laws" and lets face it no one will be hurt (unless =
you put you fingers in that KW PSU you use on 136?). =0A>>=0A>>Best regards=
 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>> From: Mike Dennison <mike.denn=
ison@ntlworld.com>=0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Saturd=
ay, 5 January 2013, 17:13=0A>>>=0A>>>Subject: LF: AM on 472kHz=0A>>>  =0A>>=
>=0A>>>Making a complete mockery of any attempt to persuade users of =0A>>>=
different modes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now going on in =0A>>>=
the middle of the band!=0A>>>=0A>>>I give up!=0A>>>=0A>>>Mike, G3XDV=0A>>>=
=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0    =0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>=A0http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.co=
m/=0A>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/=0A>https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/=0A>=
http://qss2.blogspot.com/=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>   
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Roger ... Mike es all=
</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>Sorry..... :o(</span>=
</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Regards 73 es GL es HNY&nbsp;Pete M0FMT IO91UX<=
br> <blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5=
px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-lef=
t-style: solid;">  <div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, t=
imes, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"=
Arial"> <div style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(=
204, 204, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" class=3D"hr" =
contentEditable=3D"false" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Roger Lapthorn &lt;rogerlapthorn@gmail.com&=
gt;<br> <b><span
 style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=
 &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: b=
old;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 5 January 2013, 19:45<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: AM on 472kHz<br> </font=
> </div> <br><div id=3D"yiv1275043272"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Pete=
,<br><br></div>Honestly, is this helpful? <br><br>I have a lot of respect f=
or Mike and others like him, and this sort of attitude is totally uncalled =
for.<br><br></div>73s<br></div>Roger G3XBM<br>=0A<div><div><br><br></div></=
div></div><div class=3D"yiv1275043272gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"yiv=
1275043272gmail_quote">On 5 January 2013 18:46, M0FMT <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk">m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; bo=
rder-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-st=
yle: solid;" class=3D"yiv1275043272gmail_quote"><div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div><span>Hi Mike</sp=
an></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><span>We know the RSGB owns =
the spectrum and want to control every issue to do with it like they messed=
 up VHF <span><span>particularly</span></span> 4m with their policemen maki=
ng life for anyone without the =A35000 pound rig advertised in the RADCOM n=
ot welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles on the channe=
l.</span></div>=0A<div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>Your e-mail to&n=
bsp;me a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136, &nbsp;but I never compla=
ined about your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too on =
the band. So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that hav=
e have entry &nbsp;numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done th=
e <span><span>policeman's</span></span> charter that=0A makes other peoples=
 life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and limits experimentation.=
 These may not be of the PhD <span><span>variety</span></span> but are of t=
he self training variety which is the Amateur radio licence variety.</span>=
</div>=0A<div><span>&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>I don't give a toss about=
 the RSGB 's rules and I will use the spectrum within sensible limits how I=
 want and in line with what is in my licence.</span></div><div><span></span=
>&nbsp;</div>=0A<div><span>You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on=
 VHF! clagging the bands with repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the =
cheek to complain when a real&nbsp;radio amateur wants to do some off the w=
all tests that with in the acres of empty spectrum&nbsp; on VHF people who =
you never hear in qso suddenly come up and say you can't do that here it's =
what your numbered lists policies create.</span></div>=0A<div><span></span>=
&nbsp;</div><div><span>&nbsp;And now you=0A are doing it on 472/9. Sorry bu=
t its bonkers you are&nbsp;creating clones out of radio ops who you don't w=
ant to trust with the spectrum but its not your spectrum....... and in any =
case things have changed in the world and I don't think people will stand f=
or Diktat as they might have done in the passed.</span></div>=0A<div><span>=
</span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>So long as us amateur stay inside the band li=
mits and our EIRPs are sensible that is all authority is expecting us to do=
 and what <span><span>else</span></span> we do I don't think they care abou=
t provided its not mischievous. Also my guess is they will tolerate the odd=
 transgression without comment unless it is taking the Mickey out of our co=
ntract (the licence).</span></div>=0A<div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><sp=
an>I would say cool the Captain Blimp approach and rub along with things an=
d they may not turn out to be as bad as you think. A</span><span><span><spa=
n>lternatively</span></span> some of us who are fed up with lists with numb=
ers will migrate out of amateur bands and do our own thing like quite a few=
 are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80m 40m 20m etc <span>there's</spa=
n> a <span><span>parallel</span></span> universe of amateurs, even though g=
etting a licence is a doddle these days.... why?</span></div>=0A<div><span>=
</span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>Just get real and rub along with what people =
want to do, you will hardly notice a bit of AM, like the RSGB call sign isn=
't it GB3FUN?</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div><span>And if m=
y <span><span>electric</span></span> bill could stand it I would probably r=
un a KW like you using an old&nbsp;Decca <span>commercial</span> TX with it=
s whiskers ever looked at an SDR <span><span>waterfall</span></span>? My 5w=
atts tube tx a real=0A threat?</span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><d=
iv><span>Mike I won't <span><span>apologies</span></span> for the forgoing =
but I don't want to fall out with anyone&nbsp;however it cannot be a one si=
ded argument and Diktat and toys out the pram is not the way to go, an arm =
round the shoulder does more than any amount of "Laws" and lets face it no =
one will be hurt (unless you put you fingers in that KW PSU you use on 136?=
).</span></div>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best regards 73 es GL es HNY <var><=
/var>Pete M0FMT IO91UX<br></div><div> <blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5p=
x; margin-top: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); =
border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;">=0A  <div style=3D"font-=
family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font=
-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div d=
ir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial"> <div style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0=
px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); line-height: 0; font-size: 0px; m=
in-height: 0px;">=0A</div>  <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</sp=
an></b> Mike Dennison &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike.dennison@ntlworld.com" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:mike.dennison@ntlworld.co=
m">mike.dennison@ntlworld.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=
>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> <br>=0A <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bo=
ld;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, 5 January 2013, 17:13<div class=3D"yiv12750=
43272im"><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> LF:=
 AM on 472kHz<br> </div></font> </div> <br><div><div class=3D"yiv1275043272=
h5">=0AMaking a complete mockery of any attempt to persuade users of <br>di=
fferent modes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now going on in <br>the =
middle of the band!<br><br>I give up!<br><br>Mike, G3XDV<br><br><br><br>&nb=
sp;</div>=0A</div></div> </div> </blockquote>  </div></div></div></blockquo=
te></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://g3xbm-qrp=
.blogspot.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspo=
t.com/</a><br><a href=3D"http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/</a><br>=0A<a href=3D"https://sites.goog=
le.com/site/sub9khz/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://sites.goog=
le.com/site/sub9khz/</a><br><a href=3D"http://qss2.blogspot.com/" rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">http://qss2.blogspot.com/</a><br><br>=0A</div>=0A=
</div><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote>  </div></div></body></html>
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