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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Mike We know the RSGB owns the spectrum and want to control every issue to do with it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their policemen making life for anyone without the £5000 pound rig advertised in the RADCOM not welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles on the channel. Your e-mail to me a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136, but I never complained about your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too on the band. So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that have have entry numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done the policeman's charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and limits experimentation. These may not be of the PhD variety but are of the self training variety which is the Amateur radio licence variety. I don't give a toss about the RSGB 's rules and I will use the spectrum within sensible limits how I want and in line with what is in my licence. You are an RSGB policeman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging the bands with repeaters and all sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain when a real radio amateur wants to do some off the wall tests that with in the acres of empty spectrum on VHF people who you never hear in qso suddenly come up and say you can't do that here it's what your numbered lists policies create. And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are creating clones out of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the spectrum but its not your spectrum....... and in any case things have changed in the world and I don't think people will stand for Diktat as they might have done in the passed. So long as us amateur stay inside the band limits and our EIRPs are sensible that is all authority is expecting us to do and what else we do I don't think they care about provided its not mischievous. Also my guess is they will tolerate the odd transgression without comment unless it is taking the Mickey out of our contract (the licence). I would say cool the [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.35 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 420019f4991fbaa4f653703c21f48617 Subject: Re: LF: AM on 472kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-745693771-270821386-1357411601=:32629" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mb03.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601750e87dec5684 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ---745693771-270821386-1357411601=:32629 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike=0A=A0=0AWe know the RSGB owns the spectrum and want to control ever= y issue to do with it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their po= licemen making life for anyone without the =A35000 pound rig advertised in = the RADCOM not welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles o= n the channel.=0A=A0=0AYour e-mail to=A0me a while ago about my paltry 50wa= tts on 136, =A0but I never complained about your 1000watts that flattened s= ignals I wanted to listen too on the band. So why do the pigeon whole briga= de, with nice neat lists that have have entry =A0numbers, of things that ca= n be done and can't be done the policeman's charter that makes other people= s life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and limits experimentation= . These may not be of the PhD variety but are of the self training variety = which is the Amateur radio licence variety.=0A=A0=0AI don't give a toss abo= ut the RSGB 's rules and I will use the spectrum within sensible limits how= I want and in line with what is in my licence.=0A=A0=0AYou are an RSGB pol= iceman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging the bands with repeaters and al= l sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain when a real=A0radio amateur = wants to do some off the wall tests that with in the acres of empty spectru= m=A0 on VHF people who you never hear in qso suddenly come up and say you c= an't do that here it's what your numbered lists policies create.=0A=A0=0A= =A0And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are=A0creat= ing clones out of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the spectrum b= ut its not your spectrum....... and in any case things have changed in the = world and I don't think people will stand for Diktat as they might have don= e in the passed.=0A=A0=0ASo long as us amateur stay inside the band limits = and our EIRPs are sensible that is all authority is expecting us to do and = what else we do I don't think they care about provided its not mischievous.= Also my guess is they will tolerate the odd transgression without comment = unless it is taking the Mickey out of our contract (the licence).=0A=A0=0AI= would say cool the Captain Blimp approach and rub along with things and th= ey may not turn out to be as bad as you think. Alternatively some of us who= are fed up with lists with numbers will migrate out of amateur bands and d= o our own thing like quite a few are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80= m 40m 20m etc there's a parallel universe of amateurs, even though getting = a licence is a doddle these days.... why?=0A=A0=0AJust get real and rub alo= ng with what people want to do, you will hardly notice a bit of AM, like th= e RSGB call sign isn't it GB3FUN?=0A=A0=0AAnd if my electric bill could sta= nd it I would probably run a KW like you using an old=A0Decca commercial TX= with its whiskers ever looked at an SDR waterfall? My 5watts tube tx a rea= l threat?=0A=A0=0AMike I won't apologies for the forgoing but I don't want = to fall out with anyone=A0however it cannot be a one sided argument and Dik= tat and toys out the pram is not the way to go, an arm round the shoulder d= oes more than any amount of "Laws" and lets face it no one will be hurt (un= less you put you fingers in that KW PSU you use on 136?).=0A=A0=0ABest rega= rds 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>____________________________= ____=0A> From: Mike Dennison =0A>To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 17:13=0A>Subject: LF= : AM on 472kHz=0A> =0A>Making a complete mockery of any attempt to persuad= e users of =0A>different modes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now goi= ng on in =0A>the middle of the band!=0A>=0A>I give up!=0A>=0A>Mike, G3XDV= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=A0 ---745693771-270821386-1357411601=:32629 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mike
<= div> 
We know the RSGB owns the spectrum = and want to control every issue to do with it like they messed up VHF particularly 4m with their policemen= making life for anyone without the =A35000 pound rig advertised in the RAD= COM not welcome if your centre frequency was not with a few cycles on the c= hannel.
 
Your e-mail to=  me a while ago about my paltry 50watts on 136,  but I never comp= lained about your 1000watts that flattened signals I wanted to listen too o= n the band. So why do the pigeon whole brigade, with nice neat lists that h= ave have entry  numbers, of things that can be done and can't be done = the policeman's charter that makes other peoples life a misery with "I'm alright jack" attitude and lim= its experimentation. These may not be of the PhD variety but are of the self training variety which is the= Amateur radio licence variety.
 
<= div>I don't give a toss about the RSGB 's rules and I will use the sp= ectrum within sensible limits how I want and in line with what is in my lic= ence.
 
You are an RSGB = policeman just like the crowd on VHF! clagging the bands with repeaters and= all sorts of junk and have the cheek to complain when a real radio am= ateur wants to do some off the wall tests that with in the acres of empty s= pectrum  on VHF people who you never hear in qso suddenly come up and = say you can't do that here it's what your numbered lists policies create.
 
 And now you are doing it on 472/9. Sorry but its bonkers you are creating clones = out of radio ops who you don't want to trust with the spectrum but its not = your spectrum....... and in any case things have changed in the world and I= don't think people will stand for Diktat as they might have done in the pa= ssed.
 
So long as us am= ateur stay inside the band limits and our EIRPs are sensible that is all au= thority is expecting us to do and what else we do I don't think they care about provided its not mischievo= us. Also my guess is they will tolerate the odd transgression without comme= nt unless it is taking the Mickey out of our contract (the licence).=
 
I would say cool the Captain= Blimp approach and rub along with things and they may not turn out to be a= s bad as you think. Alternatively some of us who are fed = up with lists with numbers will migrate out of amateur bands and do our own= thing like quite a few are doing, ever listened at the ends of 80m 40m 20m= etc there's a parallel universe of amateurs, even though getting a licenc= e is a doddle these days.... why?
 
Just get real and rub along with what people want to do, you wi= ll hardly notice a bit of AM, like the RSGB call sign isn't it GB3FUN?
 
And if my electric bill could stand it I would probably = run a KW like you using an old Decca commerci= al TX with its whiskers ever looked at an SDR waterfall? My 5watts tube tx a real threat?
 
Mike I won't = apologies for the forgoing but= I don't want to fall out with anyone however it cannot be a one sided= argument and Diktat and toys out the pram is not the way to go, an arm rou= nd the shoulder does more than any amount of "Laws" and lets face it no one= will be hurt (unless you put you fingers in that KW PSU you use on 136?).<= /span>
 
Best regards 73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: M= ike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 17:13=
Subject: LF: AM on 47= 2kHz

Making a complete mockery of any attempt to per= suade users of
different modes to coexist responsibly, an AM QSO is now= going on in
the middle of the band!

I give up!

Mike, G3X= DV



 
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