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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Colin Colin  Don't give up on MF please, this is only a debate its not serious the situation will not degenerate as you fear. I look forward to working you on 472 on the key. Reported you as an early user of 472 on New years day fine sig here!  I think if you hear an AM or SSB sig and it genuinely interferes with your use then name and shame on here but be tolerant please.  Your problem with the neighbours radio only goes to show the Digital take up is not as the government would have us believe. M/L wave are the basic BC radio tools here as well. They all, when on in different rooms sound as one .... ever done it with digital.... At night time we still have that 1930s excitement of listening to Holand, Germany, France and Spain on M/LW  Oh and China? and the quality is about as good as a cheap Digi set apart from some charaterful fading.  Oh and as for hate mail just divert them to spam ignor, don't read.  I am out of this debate as well. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.109.132 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ca99410ca567eba9a3bdb1eca62dc23c Subject: Re: Re[5]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="313692494-1238521087-1357302170=:21577" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mi05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b8d50e6c9ee05a3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --313692494-1238521087-1357302170=:21577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colin Colin =0A=C2=A0=0ADon't give up on MF please, this is only a debate i= ts not serious the situation will not degenerate as you fear. I look forwar= d to working you on 472 on the key. Reported you as an early user of 472 on= New years day fine sig here!=0A=C2=A0=0AI think if you hear an AM or SSB s= ig and it genuinely interferes with your use then name and shame on here bu= t be tolerant please.=0A=C2=A0=0AYour problem with the neighbours radio onl= y goes to show the Digital take up is not as the government would have us b= elieve. M/L wave=C2=A0are the basic BC radio tools here as well. They all, = when on in different rooms=C2=A0sound=C2=A0as one .... ever done it with di= gital.... At night time we still have that 1930s excitement of listening to= Holand, Germany,=C2=A0France and Spain on M/LW=C2=A0=C2=A0Oh and China? an= d the quality is about as good as a cheap Digi set apart from some charater= ful fading.=0A=C2=A0=0AOh and as for hate mail just divert them to spam ign= or, don't read.=0A=C2=A0=0AI am out of this debate as well.=C2=A0=0A=0A73 e= s GL es HNY=C2=A0Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>_______________________________= _=0A> From: M5FRA - Colin =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 11:54=0A>Subject: Re[5]: LF: 47= 7 A local SSB chat band ?=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>Roger, =0A>=0A>thank you for yo= ur support. I must admit to being very disillusioned with the response I ha= ve received and do not like the abusive direct emails from anonymous sender= s. I decided today to give up ion MF as it should be fun rather than confli= ct. I know I should have known better and could have phrased my emails bett= er but I always had a smile on my face which is hard to convey electronical= ly. =0A>=0A>MF is difficult here as my antenna is in the neighbours garden= , they happen to be the in laws! They have also reported Morse code coming = over their wireless! They are very good about it all but I do not want to p= ush it too much. I have an antenna down lead switch box (vacuum relay) and = an coax switch that needs to be installed yet that means a small shed/box i= n their flower bed. So, all in all may ditch the experiment and return to H= F QRP. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Colin - M5FRA =0A>=0A>m5fra.org.uk =0A>=0A>=0A>-----= - Original Message ------=0A>From: "Roger Lapthorn" =0A>To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A>= Sent: 04/01/2013 11:32:53=0A>Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat b= and ?=0A>=0A>A well reasoned email Colin. Although SSB is technically feasi= ble it should not be encouraged.=C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>BTW, I tend to agree= that WSPR is oddly positioned in the new band and personally am in favour = of a "light touch" bandplan if only to encourage folks to congregate in the= right watering holes.=C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Very encouraged by results so = far with my minimal system. Had a nice CW QSO with G3XIZ last night on CW w= ho answered my CQ call.=C2=A0 =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73s =0A>>Roger G3XBM=C2=A0=0A= >>=0A>>On 4 Jan 2013, at 11:07, "M5FRA - Colin" wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>I am sorry but I did not express myself very clearly in t= he last couple of posts and there were lots of typos. I will attempt to exp= lain why I am opposed to digital voice/SSB on 630m. =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>The = main reason is that although it is technically possible it is impractical a= s it will take up a disproportionate amount of bandwidth which will effecti= vely deny other people the space to operate. =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>The idea th= at it could be daylight hours only, VOX only etc etc=C2=A0as a gentlemen=E2= =80=99s agreement is wildly optimistic in light of the abuse of the other g= entlemen=E2=80=99s agreements called bandplans. =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>I also = feel strongly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not a right. I kn= ow for sure that there is a lot of abuse of license conditions and have hea= rd ops openly admit to running 1kw+ in order to work DX or to =E2=80=98leve= l the playing field=E2=80=99 in contests. That sort of abuse will only do u= s harm and although some argue that Ofcom are not interested in such things= let me assure you that they are. =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>The new 630m band is = allocated on a secondary basis to aeronautical mobile users. There are stil= l NDBs within the band and some countries impose restriction or deny access= to 630m altogether because of the shared use. It will only take somebody t= o either accidentally or deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user for us to= lose the band or face more restrictions. I can see the headlines now! =0A>= >>=C2=A0 =0A>>>Finally, and I will not post here again on this subject, I a= m not anti SSB, anti contests, anti much else, but do believe we need a res= ponsible attitude to how we use the bands. We should not be constantly push= ing for change to suit our own interests or deliberately flouting the law, = in the long term that will only lead to loss of privilege not more access. = =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>And to answer an aggressive=C2=A0direct email which sug= gested I **** off and play somewhere else, yes I do operate digital modes a= nd have done for 40+ years starting with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, CW, QR= P and QRO and even microwaves. =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA =0A>>= >=0A>>>m5fra.org.uk=0A>=0A> --313692494-1238521087-1357302170=:21577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Colin Colin
 
Don't give up on MF please, this is only a debate its not serious the sit= uation will not degenerate as you fear. I look forward to working you on 47= 2 on the key. Reported you as an early user of 472 on New years day fine si= g here!
 
I think if you= hear an AM or SSB sig and it genuinely interferes with your use then name = and shame on here but be tolerant please.
&nb= sp;
Your problem with the neighbours radio only goes to sho= w the Digital take up is not as the government would have us believe. M/L w= ave are the basic BC radio tools here as well. They all, when on in di= fferent rooms sound as one .... ever done it with digital.... At night time we still have that 1930s excitement of listening to Holand, = Germany, France and Spain on M/LW  Oh and China? and the qua= lity is about as good as a cheap Digi set apart from some charaterful fadin= g.
 
Oh and as for hate = mail just divert them to spam ignor, don't read.
 
I am out of this debate as well. 
73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:<= /b> M5FRA - Colin <m5fra@btinternet.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re[5]: LF: 477 = A local SSB chat band ?

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Roger,
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th= ank you for your support. I must admit to being very disillusioned with the= response I have received and do not like the abusive direct emails from an= onymous senders. I decided today to give up ion MF as it should be fun rath= er than conflict. I know I should have known better and could have phrased = my emails better but I always had a smile on my face which is hard to conve= y electronically.
=0A
 
=0A
MF is difficult here as= my antenna is in the neighbours garden, they happen to be the in laws! The= y have also reported Morse code coming over their wireless! They are very g= ood about it all but I do not want to push it too much. I have an antenna d= own lead switch box (vacuum relay) and an coax switch that needs to be inst= alled yet that means a small shed/box in their flower bed. So, all in all m= ay ditch the experiment and return to HF QRP.
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Colin - M5FRA
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------ Original Me= ssage ------
From: "Roger Lapthorn" <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
T= o: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
S= ent: 04/01/2013 11:32:53
Subject: Re: Re[3]: LF: 477 A local SSB chat ba= nd ?
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A well reasoned = email Colin. Although SSB is technically feasible it should not be encourag= ed. 
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BTW, I tend to agree that WSPR is = oddly positioned in the new band and personally am in favour of a "light to= uch" bandplan if only to encourage folks to congregate in the right waterin= g holes. 
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Very encouraged by results so= far with my minimal system. Had a nice CW QSO with G3XIZ last night on CW = who answered my CQ call. 
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73s
=0A<= div>Roger G3XBM 

On 4 Jan 2013, at 11:07, "M5FRA - Colin" <<= a href=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" ymailto=3D"mailto:m5fra@btin= ternet.com">m5fra@btinternet.com> wrote:

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I am sorry but I did not= express myself very clearly in the last couple of posts and there were lot= s of typos. I will attempt to explain why I am opposed to digital voice/SSB= on 630m.
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<= font face=3D"Verdana">The main reason is that although it is technically po= ssible it is impractical as it will take up a disproportionate amount of ba= ndwidth which will effectively deny other people the space to operate.
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&nb= sp;
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The idea that it could be daylight hours only, VOX only etc etc = as a gentlemen=E2=80=99s agreement is wildly optimistic in light of the abu= se of the other gentlemen=E2=80=99s agreements called bandplans. =0A
 
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I also feel strongly that we are on the bands as a privilege and not a rig= ht. I know for sure that there is a lot of abuse of license conditions and = have heard ops openly admit to running 1kw+ in order to work DX or to =E2= =80=98level the playing field=E2=80=99 in contests. That sort of abuse will= only do us harm and although some argue that Ofcom are not interested in s= uch things let me assure you that they are.
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The new 630m band is= allocated on a secondary basis to aeronautical mobile users. There are sti= ll NDBs within the band and some countries impose restriction or deny acces= s to 630m altogether because of the shared use. It will only take somebody = to either accidentally or deliberately QRM to an aeronautical user for us t= o lose the band or face more restrictions. I can see the headlines now!
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&n= bsp;
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Finally, and I will not post here again on this subject, I am not an= ti SSB, anti contests, anti much else, but do believe we need a responsible= attitude to how we use the bands. We should not be constantly pushing for = change to suit our own interests or deliberately flouting the law, in the l= ong term that will only lead to loss of privilege not more access. <= /div>=0A
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And to answer an aggressive direct email which suggested I **** off= and play somewhere else, yes I do operate digital modes and have done for = 40+ years starting with a Creed 7B. I also use SSB, CW, QRP and QRO and eve= n microwaves.
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Colin - G8FRA/M5FRA
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