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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi  Not sure if that comment is directed at me but I was adding my ten cents worth to an earlier comment. There is no mandatory requirement to use narrow band modes on the band it only seems so because it is such a narrow allocation and it makes sense to only use the key or data. However the Genie is out of the bottle, I was trying to form a sensible frame work for the use of SSB on the band. This IMHO must be done as a gentleman’s agreement otherwise you will encourage the same stupidity we see on VHF around here where the use of say 70.45 as a casual chat channel as it has always been begets the RSGB policemen who feel it is their right to jam the channel and be abusive. I can site the same behavior on 2m as well. So the channel being used for a casual chat turns into an unusable channel for all instead of a normal sensible call in to make a general call the user stations stand by as has always been the procedure. So whichever way, you get war and that’s not what ham radio is about. Over regulation and giving individuals the "authority" to be objectionable just destroys a channel by escalating the anger of the righteous to protect a cockamamie plan!! If I was the “authority” I would have only CW and no other modes on 630m. As said above the Genie is out of the bottle because of the acceptance of “Linear” data modes that has encouraged the use of the PC and linear Transverters on the band so it’s a small step to transmit an SSB signal. Getting everybody thinking about what they are doing in a responsible way is better than Diktat. I rest my case. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.59 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 986df75162af045670df2f67fcfcb92a Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="856002529-1087176419-1357243322=:31464" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d618950e5ee88610e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --856002529-1087176419-1357243322=:31464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi =0A=C2=A0=0ANot sure if that comment is directed at me but I was=0Aaddin= g my ten cents worth to an earlier comment.=0AThere is no mandatory require= ment to use narrow band modes on the band=0Ait only seems so because it is = such a narrow allocation and it makes sense to=0Aonly use the key or data. = However the Genie is out of the bottle, I was trying=0Ato form a sensible f= rame work for the use of SSB on the band. This IMHO must be=0Adone as a gen= tleman=E2=80=99s agreement otherwise you will encourage the same stupidity= =0Awe see on VHF around here where the use of say 70.45 as a casual chat ch= annel=0Aas it has always been begets the RSGB policemen who feel it is thei= r right to=0Ajam the channel and be abusive. I can site the same behavior o= n 2m as well. So=0Athe channel being used for a casual chat turns into an u= nusable channel for all=0Ainstead of a normal sensible call in to make a ge= neral call the user stations=0Astand by as has always been the procedure. S= o whichever way, you get war and that=E2=80=99s=0Anot what ham radio is abo= ut. Over regulation and giving individuals the "authority"=0Ato be objectio= nable just destroys a channel by escalating the anger of the righteous=0Ato= protect a cockamamie plan!! =0AIf I was the =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D I = would have only CW and no=0Aother modes on 630m. As said above the Genie is= out of the bottle because of=0Athe acceptance of =E2=80=9CLinear=E2=80=9D = data modes that has encouraged the use of the PC and=0Alinear Transverters = on the band so it=E2=80=99s a small step to transmit an SSB signal.=0AGetti= ng everybody thinking about what they are doing=0Ain a responsible way is b= etter than Diktat.=0AI rest my case.=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>= ________________________________=0A> From: Alan Melia =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 3 January 20= 13, 1:05=0A>Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?=0A> =0A>=0A= > =0A>Just a thought.....when it gets totally washed out =0Awith SSB all 24= hours how are you going to clean it out? People in general dont =0Afollow = gentlemen's agreements they were not party too.....and "it doesnt say I =0A= cant in the licence".=C2=A0 =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>I fear that, though what you sug= gest would work, it =0Amight encourage mayhem. I would prefer to see those = who feel uncomfortable using =0Aa morse key on other bands,=C2=A0improve th= eir skill on 475=C2=A0by not being =0Aunder HF-band like pressure. I dont l= isten there now but 10MHz used to be a =0Aguide for what you can expect whe= r SSB is not actually banned from a narrow =0Aband. Dont forget, to SSB-onl= y ops CW is just interference.=C2=A0The plus point =0Ais they will have to = make a transverter first, but then a few badly aligned =0Atranverters on SS= B could be a disaster. I think the Swedish station was was Gus =0ASM?BHZ, a= nd the SSB wiped out several DX CW qsos I knew of at the time. It was a =0A= commercial licence not an amateur one, so=C2=A0voice ID=C2=A0may have been = in =0Athe conditions. =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>Alan =0A>G3NYK =0A>=C2=A0 =0A>----- Or= iginal Message ----- =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg =0A>>Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:30 AM =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: 4= 77 A local SSB chat band ? =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi Graham Geri and all =0A>>=C2= =A0 =0A>>Warren has seen SSB first hand on the MF QRG and we have this side= also.There was an SM station (call sign forgotten?) in the early days of = 500=C2=A0that added an SSB anouncement on his beacon and=C2=A0it worked w= ell. =0A>>=C2=A0 =0A>>To my spec. :- "One SSB channel at the high edge of t= he band only used during daylight hours no DXing!" add " Use VOX, no monol= oguing allowed"=C2=A0to be a laissez faire operation no band plan, but fai= r play!.73 es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>>________________= ________________=0A>>>From: Graham =0A>>>To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 20:48=0A>>= >Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>Geri= =0A>>>=0A>>>800 Hz=C2=A0 B/W ...=C2=A0 May=C2=A0 be this=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 s= omething=C2=A0 'Wolf' can=C2=A0 code=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 you=C2=A0 ? a=C2=A0 b= /w =C2=A0 compression / expansion=C2=A0 module in SL =C2=A0, to=C2=A0 limit= the=C2=A0 tx b/w=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 800=C2=A0 Hz must=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 possible= to=C2=A0 divide=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 3=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 mult=C2=A0 by=C2=A0 3=C2= =A0 with a=C2=A0 linear shift=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 well ? =0A>>>=0A>>>G.. =0A>>>= =0A>>> =0A>>>From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW =0A>>>Sent: Wednesd= ay, January 02, 2013 8:36 PM =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>= Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>Hi, =0A>>>= =C2=A0 =0A>>>I kind of like the idea of an SSB channel. I just pulled out = the conditions of my first secial license for 160m from 1973 or 1974. That= said 1815 to 1835 kHz with 10 Watts in CW, additionally one SSB channel f= or 1832 to 1835 kHz, so why not trying this on 630m, too? Here in Germany = we are currently limited to 800 Hz bandwidt but I am sure we can sork towa= rds a special license under certain conditions such as daylight operation = only=C2=A0.. sounds good to me! =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>Vy 73 =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>= >Geri, DK8KW =0A>>>=C2=A0 =0A>>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>>From:= Graham =0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Sent: Wednesday, J= anuary 02, 2013 8:58 PM =0A>>>>Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?= =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>Hi Pete =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Its=C2=A0 quite=C2=A0 obvious = that=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 allocation=C2=A0 is=C2=A0 =C2=A0quite=C2=A0 able=C2= =A0 to=C2=A0 support=C2=A0 normal=C2=A0=C2=A0 armature=C2=A0 activity , an= d=C2=A0 why=C2=A0 not=C2=A0 ? its no=C2=A0 longer a experimental=C2=A0 all= ocation , its just the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0 as=C2=A0=C2=A0 10=C2=A0 or top=C2= =A0 band , un expected=C2=A0 results=C2=A0 today though !=C2=A0 ssb=C2=A0 = sounds=C2=A0 odd=C2=A0 , may=C2=A0 be=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 path is=C2= =A0 stable ,=C2=A0=C2=A0 sstv ?=C2=A0 must=C2=A0 be a=C2=A0 narrow=C2=A0 m= ode=C2=A0 , and the=C2=A0 'new'=C2=A0 digital=C2=A0 voice=C2=A0 is 2KHz=C2= =A0 , but that=C2=A0 requires=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 linear=C2=A0 Tx=C2=A0 path=C2= =A0 =0A>>>>=0A>>>>As=C2=A0 for=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 band edge =0A>>>>=0A>>>>= =C2=A0I'm =C2=A0straining=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 find=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 engineering=C2= =A0=C2=A0 reason=C2=A0 , that=C2=A0 wspr=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 qrss=C2=A0 has=C2= =A0 decided to=C2=A0 run mid band ?=C2=A0Im sure=C2=A0 users had a=C2=A0 r= easonable discussion=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 introduction=C2=A0 of the=C2=A0 ba= nd , to=C2=A0 place the=C2=A0 modes=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0 edges ,=C2=A0with= =C2=A0 live=C2=A0 cw a the=C2=A0 lower=C2=A0 portion ?=C2=A0=C2=A0its well= =C2=A0 know=C2=A0 that=C2=A0 these=C2=A0 long=C2=A0 carrier=C2=A0 modes=C2= =A0 cause=C2=A0 disruption=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 other=C2=A0 band=C2=A0 users and= =C2=A0 are=C2=A0 well=C2=A0 placed=C2=A0 at the=C2=A0=C2=A0band=C2=A0 edge= s =C2=A0, 'vanity=C2=A0 beacons'=C2=A0 is a term=C2=A0I have=C2=A0 seen=C2= =A0 noted=C2=A0 in referral, as occupancy=C2=A0 increases , by users=C2=A0= not=C2=A0 linked or=C2=A0 even=C2=A0 aware=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 =C2=A0discussi= ons=C2=A0=C2=A0 taking place on these=C2=A0 groups , i'm sure there=C2=A0 = will=C2=A0 be=C2=A0=C2=A0problems=C2=A0 leading=C2=A0 to=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 i= ntroduction=C2=A0 of =C2=A0band plan's=C2=A0 , for=C2=A0 some=C2=A0 the=C2= =A0 plans=C2=A0 form=C2=A0 part of the=C2=A0 licence=C2=A0 conditions .. = =0A>>>>=0A>>>>Is Opera=C2=A0 a vanity=C2=A0 system=C2=A0? , actually=C2=A0 = no, it=C2=A0 compliments=C2=A0=C2=A0 ros-=C2=A0 data=C2=A0 mode in that=C2= =A0 the=C2=A0 ave s/n=C2=A0=C2=A0 readings=C2=A0 can be used to=C2=A0 det= ermine=C2=A0 if=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 path=C2=A0 will=C2=A0 support=C2=A0 the=C2= =A0 data=C2=A0 mode , each=C2=A0 having=C2=A0 the=C2=A0 same=C2=A0=C2=A0 a= veraging=C2=A0 s/n=C2=A0 reading=C2=A0 taken along the=C2=A0 time=C2=A0 li= ne =C2=A0, =0A>>>>=0A>>>>73 -G.. =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>= >=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>From: M0FMT =0A>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January = 02, 2013 6:21 PM =0A>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>>>Subject: R= e: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ? =0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>Hi all =0A>>>>=C2= =A0 =0A>>>>One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used during d= aylight hours no DXing!=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>73 es GL es HNY=C2=A0Pete M0FM= T IO91UX=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>>________________________________=0A>>>>>From:= Graham =0A>>>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 16:13=0A>>>>>Subject: LF: 477 A l= ocal SSB chat band ?=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>Quite=C2=A0 intriguing=C2=A0 p= ropagation=C2=A0 on this=C2=A0 'new'=C2=A0 band =0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>From=C2= =A0 some=C2=A0 unexpected=C2=A0 early=C2=A0 600 mile=C2=A0 +=C2=A0=C2=A0 O= pera=C2=A0 decodes=C2=A0 last=C2=A0 night=C2=A0 , to=C2=A0 several=C2=A0= =C2=A0 wspr=C2=A0=C2=A0 TA=C2=A0 decodes ,=C2=A0 [G8's=C2=A0 again ..]=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0to=C2=A0=C2=A0 today's=C2=A0=C2=A0 test=C2=A0 w= ith=C2=A0 Gary=C2=A0 using=C2=A0=C2=A0 USB-SSB=C2=A0 voice , =0A>>>>>=0A>= >>>>Where=C2=A0 as=C2=A0at=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01300z=C2=A0 =C2=A0we=C2=A0 had= =C2=A0 5/9=C2=A0 signals each=C2=A0 way=C2=A0 as=C2=A0 expected=C2=A0=C2= =A0 over 25 miles=C2=A0 ,=C2=A0 GI3PDN=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ray=C2=A0 , called=C2= =A0 on CW , to=C2=A0=C2=A0 give=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 report of=C2=A0 5/9 across= =C2=A0 the=C2=A0 Irish=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sea=C2=A0 , some=C2=A0 100=C2=A0 miles= =C2=A0 for=C2=A0 our=C2=A0 two=C2=A0 signals , his=C2=A0 CW also=C2=A0 in = the=C2=A0 5/9/9=C2=A0 region, one=C2=A0 wonders=C2=A0 how=C2=A0 far=C2=A0 = inland=C2=A0 the signals=C2=A0 travelled=C2=A0 ? 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Not sure if that comment is = directed at me but I was=0Aadding my ten cents worth to an earlier comment.=
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There is no mandatory require= ment to use narrow band modes on the band=0Ait only seems so because it is = such a narrow allocation and it makes sense to=0Aonly use the key or data. = However the Genie is out of the bottle, I was trying=0Ato form a sensible f= rame work for the use of SSB on the band. This IMHO must be=0Adone as a gen= tleman=E2=80=99s agreement otherwise you will encourage the same stupidity= =0Awe see on VHF around here where the use of say 70.45 as a casual chat ch= annel=0Aas it has always been begets the RSGB policemen who feel it is thei= r right to=0Ajam the channel and be abusive. I can site the same behavior o= n 2m as well. So=0Athe channel being used for a casual chat turns into an u= nusable channel for all=0Ainstead of a normal sensible call in to make a ge= neral call the user stations=0Astand by as has always been the procedure. S= o whichever way, you get war and that=E2=80=99s=0Anot what ham radio is abo= ut. Over regulation and giving individuals the "authority"=0Ato be objectio= nable just destroys a channel by escalating the anger of the righteous=0Ato= protect a cockamamie plan!!
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If I was the =E2=80=9Cauthority=E2=80=9D I would have only CW and no=0Aoth= er modes on 630m. As said above the Genie is out of the bottle because of= =0Athe acceptance of =E2=80=9CLinear=E2=80=9D data modes that has encourage= d the use of the PC and=0Alinear Transverters on the band so it=E2=80=99s a= small step to transmit an SSB signal.
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Getting everybody thinking about what they are doing=0Ain a responsible = way is better than Diktat.
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I rest my case.
=0A=0A73 es GL = Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Alan Melia <= ;alan.melia@btinternet.com>
To= : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013, 1:05
Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB=20 chat band ?

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<= font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Just a thought.....when it gets totally wash= ed out =0Awith SSB all 24 hours how are you going to clean it out? People i= n general dont =0Afollow gentlemen's agreements they were not party too....= .and "it doesnt say I =0Acant in the licence". 
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I fear that, though what you suggest would work, it =0Amight = encourage mayhem. I would prefer to see those who feel uncomfortable using = =0Aa morse key on other bands, improve their skill on 475 by not = being =0Aunder HF-band like pressure. I dont listen there now but 10MHz use= d to be a =0Aguide for what you can expect wher SSB is not actually banned = from a narrow =0Aband. Dont forget, to SSB-only ops CW is just interference= . The plus point =0Ais they will have to make a transverter first, but= then a few badly aligned =0Atranverters on SSB could be a disaster. I thin= k the Swedish station was was Gus =0ASM?BHZ, and the SSB wiped out several = DX CW qsos I knew of at the time. It was a =0Acommercial licence not an ama= teur one, so voice ID may have been in =0Athe conditions.<= /div>=0A
 
=0A
Alan
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G3NYK
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----- Original Message -----
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From: =0A M0FMT
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Sent: = Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:30 =0A AM
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Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat =0A band ?
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=0A <= div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif= ; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=0A
H= i Graham Geri and all
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=0A <= div>Warren has seen SSB first hand on the MF QRG and we have this sid= e =0A also.There was an SM station (call sign forgotten?) in the early day= s of =0A 500 that added an SSB anouncement on his beacon and it = worked =0A well.
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To my spec. :- "One SSB channel at the high edge of the band =0A only used during dayli= ght hours no DXing!" add " Use VOX, no monologuing =0A allowed" to be= a laissez faire operation no band plan, but fair =0A play!.73 es GL es HN= Y Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Graham =0A= <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 January =0A 2013, 20:4= 8
Subject: Re: =0A L= F: 477 A local SSB chat band ?

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Geri
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800 Hz  B/W ...  May  be= this  is  =0A something  'Wolf' can  code  for=   you  ? a  =0A b/w   compression / expansion  = module in SL  , to  limit =0A the  tx b/w  to  = 800  Hz must  be  possible =0A to  divide  by&n= bsp; 3  and  mult  by  3  =0A with a  line= ar shift  as  well ?
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=0A
G..=
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Sent: Wednesday, = January 02, 2013 8:36 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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Hi,
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&nb= sp;
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I kind of like the ide= a of an SSB channel. I =0A just pulled out the conditions of my first se= cial license for 160m from 1973 =0A or 1974. That said 1815 to 1835 kHz = with 10 Watts in CW, additionally one =0A SSB channel for 1832 to 1835 k= Hz, so why not trying this on 630m, too? Here =0A in Germany we are curr= ently limited to 800 Hz bandwidt but I am sure we can =0A sork towards a= special license under certain conditions such as daylight =0A operation= only .. sounds good to me!
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=0A
Vy 73
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&nbs= p;
=0A
Geri, DK8KW=0A
 
=0A =0A
----- =0A O= riginal Message -----
=0A
From: =0A Graham
=0A =0A
Sent: =0A Wednesday, January 02, 201= 3 8:58 PM
=0A
Subject: =0A Re: LF: 477 A l= ocal SSB chat band ?
=0A

=0A
Hi Pete=0A
 
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Its  quite&nbs= p; obvious that  the  allocation  =0A is   qu= ite  able  to  support  =0A normal   arm= ature  activity , and  why  not  =0A ? its no = ; longer a experimental  allocation , its just the  =0A same=   as   10  or top  band , un expected  =0A = results  today though !  ssb  sounds  odd  , = =0A may  be  as  the  path is  stable , =   =0A sstv ?  must  be a  narrow  mode  = , and the  =0A 'new'  digital  voice  is 2KHz = ; , but that  =0A requires  a  linear  Tx  pa= th 
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As  for  t= he  band edge
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&nbs= p;I'm  straining  to  find  a  =0A engineerin= g   reason  , that  wspr  and  =0A qrss&= nbsp; has  decided to  run mid band ? Im sure  =0A = users had a  reasonable discussion  at the  =0A introd= uction  of the  band , to  place the  =0A modes&nb= sp; at the  edges , with  live  cw a the  =0A = lower  portion ?  its well  know  that  =0A = these  long  carrier  modes  cause  =0A = disruption  to  other  band  users and  are  = =0A well  placed  at the  band  edges  ,= =0A 'vanity  beacons'  is a term I have  seen&nbs= p; =0A noted  in referral, as occupancy  increases , by user= s  =0A not  linked or  even  aware  of  = =0A  discussions   taking place on these  groups ,= i'm =0A sure there  will  be  problems  lead= ing  =0A to  the  introduction  of  band plan= 's  , =0A for  some  the  plans  form  p= art of the  =0A licence  conditions ..
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&n= bsp;
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Is Opera  a vanity  system ? , actua= lly  no, =0A it  compliments   ros-  data&nbs= p; mode in that  =0A the  ave s/n   readings = can be used to  =0A determine  if  a  path  = will  support  =0A the  data  mode , each  ha= ving  the  =0A same   averaging  s/n  re= ading  taken along =0A the  time  line  ,
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73 -G..
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&n= bsp;
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From: M0FMT
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:21 PM
=0A To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A
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Subject: R= e: LF: 477 A local SSB chat band ?
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Hi all
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One SSB channel at the high edge of the band only used dur= ing =0A daylight hours no DXing!

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73 = es GL es HNY Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From:= Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.f= snet.co.uk>
To: = rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0A
Sent= : Wednesday, 2 =0A January 2013, 16:13
Subject: LF: 477 A local SSB chat =0A = band ?

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Quite  intriguing  propagation  on t= his  =0A 'new'  band
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From  some  unexpected  early  600 mile&nb= sp; =0A +   Opera  decodes  last  night&nbs= p; , =0A to  several   wspr   TA  deco= des ,  =0A [G8's  again ..]     t= o   =0A today's   test  with  Gary&nbs= p; using   =0A USB-SSB  voice ,
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Where  as at   1300z&= nbsp;  we  =0A had  5/9  signals each  way&= nbsp; as  =0A expected   over 25 miles  ,  = GI3PDN   =0A Ray  , called  on CW , to &nbs= p; give  a  =0A report of  5/9 across  the = Irish   Sea  , =0A some  100  miles  = for  our  two  signals , =0A his  CW also  = in the  5/9/9  region, one  =0A wonders  how&nbs= p; far  inland  the signals  =0A travelled  ?=0A
 
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After a  short 3  = way  qso,  we closed =0A the  test  round 1330z&= nbsp; ,  may  not of =0A been  quite  as&nb= sp; sociable  after  dark  , =0A but  with a&nbs= p; small  Ae  , 40 x 70  ft  iv =0A L  and&= nbsp;  35  ft  Top load  vert  , =0A 50&nbs= p; watts  pep  , results  defiantly   =0A s= uperior  to  say  160  mtrs  using  =0A = the  same  Ae's
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=0A 73 -G
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G0NBD
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