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Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Schäfer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs Hi Dave, [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.82.108.94 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 617a5faed955112e448650f4d003a84d Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01CDD2E5.6E022330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d411950bf4088083d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CDD2E5.6E022330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He did once !! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs Hi Dave,=20 No restrictions to bandwidths? So you could work in SSB as well? 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 05.12.2012 12:27, schrieb DAVE PICK:=20 Warren My UK licence shows 0.1357MHz to 0.1378MHz "Secondary on the basis = of non-interference to other services inside or outside the UK" at 1W = e.r.p. with no restrictions on modes or bandwidths. The wording is = exactly the same as for 160 or any other band where the amateur service = is not the primary user. Note "e.r.p." rather than EIRP. Dave G3YXM On 3 December 2012 22:38, Warren Ziegler wrote: Hello the list...=20 The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in = the U.S. with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna = height and power - also they may implement some restrictions based on = proximity to power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ = with up to 4W ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an = active PLC, I feel that this is overly restrictive. Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe = and also Canada?=20 I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. Tnx! --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01CDD2E5.6E022330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
He did once !!
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, = 2012 12:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 137kHz Rules = and=20 Regs

Hi Dave,

No restrictions to bandwidths? So you = could=20 work in SSB as well?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 05.12.2012 = 12:27,=20 schrieb DAVE PICK:=20 Warren
My UK licence shows 0.1357MHz to 0.1378MHz = "Secondary=20 on the basis of non-interference to other services inside or outside = the UK"=20 at 1W e.r.p. with no restrictions on modes or bandwidths. The = wording is=20 exactly the same as for 160 or any other band where the amateur = service is=20 not the primary user.
Note "e.r.p." rather than EIRP.

Dave = G3YXM

On 3 December 2012 22:38, Warren Ziegler = <wd2xgj@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello the list...=20
   The FCC is looking to authorize the = 135.7-137.8kHz ham=20 band in the U.S. with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible = restrictions on=20 antenna height and power - also they may implement some = restrictions based=20 on proximity to power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having = operated WD2XGJ=20 with up to 4W ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line = with an=20 active PLC, I feel that this is overly restrictive.

    Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice = are in=20 Europe and also Canada? 
I would like to include this info in my response to the = FCC.

Tnx!


--
73 Warren K2ORS
      =  =20         WD2XGJ
        =  =20       WD2XSH/23
        =  =20       WE2XEB/2
        =    =20    =20 = WE2XGR/1

 

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