Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2D0C4380000A0; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TgD8p-0005wV-30 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:27:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TgD8o-0005wL-K8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:27:50 +0000 Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.220.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TgD8m-00013l-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:27:49 +0000 Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n11so5405049vch.16 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=9zvnG0P30c+Rc90VLOgf6bTeenwNns04iNyVVrp9QBI=; b=cMu1rDVk/48SAGqKsP0DfumNnXn0sBu3DFwR2aeJbwQ/dmAK21dj7fM+MTwpc+3d3h tr1Rm4hbeCrEeAT+Q/CO8HGD3jedvNka2dgdEdSKJWGWzg8vxkDHfBOgbB/46uKaK3qa ZuYQo39gpb0ZzdXXyOOGOi7KsPr0BCrtswsNhTdSXD0HEK8GDBiYcd6Objex28c1MsTS N6INmSGAcj9B7K9o7vQYP+rXTufXMSos9sWYCCpTW98vl9SrUCBnpAH743M0njJjomLy i5Ad0E06TffDJcwoAY3Kz9o7sKnPSji3VUzGN+87cRCuM0KnD4/1ywxDRYwehJMsetDR 0/gQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.6.39 with SMTP id cr7mr15360353ved.17.1354706846601; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.204.5 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 03:27:26 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [80.195.207.132] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 11:27:26 +0000 Message-ID: From: DAVE PICK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmkbnDsMyCbihkL/HOFRQCsaPuGLnVPXi3S0yTctY3u2QaJGkSddNCOdC2SoSuDTquUl05a X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Warren My UK licence shows 0.1357MHz to 0.1378MHz "Secondary on the basis of non-interference to other services inside or outside the UK" at 1W e.r.p. with no restrictions on modes or bandwidths. The wording is exactly the same as for 160 or any other band where the amateur service is not the primary user. Note "e.r.p." rather than EIRP. 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The wording is exactly the same as for 160 or any other band where the amateur service is not the primary user. Note "e.r.p." rather than EIRP. Dave G3YXM On 3 December 2012 22:38, Warren Ziegler wrote: > Hello the list... > The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. > with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and > power - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximity to > power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W > ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I > feel that this is overly restrictive. > > Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe and also > Canada? > I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. > > Tnx! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > --047d7bf0e95c5dd12a04d01944bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren
My UK licence shows 0.1357MHz to 0.1378MHz "Secondary on the= basis of non-interference to other services inside or outside the UK"= at 1W e.r.p. with no restrictions on modes or bandwidths. The wording is e= xactly the same as for 160 or any other band where the amateur service is n= ot the primary user.
Note "e.r.p." rather than EIRP.

Dave G3YXM

On 3 December 2012 22:38, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Hello the list...
=A0 =A0The FCC is look= ing to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. with 1 W EIRP and = beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and power - also they m= ay implement some restrictions based on proximity to power line carrier (PL= C) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 3= 00 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I feel that this is overly re= strictive.

=A0 =A0 Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice = are in Europe and also Canada?=A0
I would like to include this in= fo in my response to the FCC.

Tnx!


--
73 Warren K2ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1
=A0

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