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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Marco, Thanks for the note about PLC. I suspect that the utilities here are using some very old equipment and are reluctant to change it. This is a shame since many times there have been reports about the vulnerability of the power grid (mostly concerning hacking), yet there is a resistance to change. Very odd. 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I suspect that the utilities here are using some very old equipment and are reluctant to change it. This is a shame since many times there have been reports about the vulnerability of the power grid (mostly concerning hacking), yet there is a resistance to change. Very odd. 73 Warren K2ORS On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:03 AM, Marco IK1ODO -2 wrote: > And there is nothing about PLC, only the secondary service statement. > > Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF > > > > At 09:04 04-12-12, Rik Strobbe wrote: > >> in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based on >> CEPT/ERC Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz >> may be used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the >> Amateur Service in CEPT countries" >> >> So it's 1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.15dB difference (in favour of ERP). >> >> For most stations however this limit is not an issue as due to practical >> restrictions they don't run more than some 10 or 100mW. >> >> >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1