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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Rik! I am curious about the Canadian hams - most likely they have similar PLC systems yet that has not been seen as a barrier to keep them off the band. 73 Warren On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Warren, > > > > in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based on CEPT/ERC > Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz may be > used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the Amateur > Service in CEPT countries" > > So it's 1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.15dB difference (in favour of ERP). > > For most stations however this limit is not an issue as due to practical > restrictions they don't run more than some 10 or 100mW. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com] > Verzonden: maandag 3 december 2012 23:38 > To: rsgb_lf_group > Onderwerp: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs > > Hello the list... > The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. > with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and > power - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximity to > power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP > (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I feel > that this is overly restrictive. > > Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe and also > Canada? > I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. > > Tnx! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.212.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c9c533f07c530c146486ecf89a00ebb1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 137kHz Rules and Regs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mg04.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cc50bdfaa9670f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thank you Rik! I am curious about the Canadian hams - most likely they have similar PLC systems yet that has not been seen as a barrier to keep them off the band. 73 Warren On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Warren, > > > > in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based on CEPT/ERC > Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz may be > used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the Amateur > Service in CEPT countries" > > So it's 1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.15dB difference (in favour of ERP). > > For most stations however this limit is not an issue as due to practical > restrictions they don't run more than some 10 or 100mW. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > ________________________________ > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] > namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com] > Verzonden: maandag 3 december 2012 23:38 > To: rsgb_lf_group > Onderwerp: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs > > Hello the list... > The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. > with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and > power - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximity to > power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP > (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I feel > that this is overly restrictive. > > Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe and also > Canada? > I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. > > Tnx! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1