Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9F9538000099; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TgdSq-0001WY-Jn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:34:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TgdSq-0001WP-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:34:16 +0000 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TgdSo-0007L2-AP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:34:14 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id ez12so2927791wgb.28 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:33:53 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iIeEg7PCeCIav2/Ik94DM/t55oHAieTuu6+loQtYTpY=; b=MK0YYsXvxmVZJLAnwKlwRIy3CwZbbI6Pb0n70q3/cRWv5/vnPOG/sjzpxc6AqSlPDP L00kxDGL+IoGjpsl/AmLx8OatVDaxMkmD/htA4Tc/w68FmK+wcmvRwVdqimHX1gelEbB ik/JVELiFRkHETI7Lq7XraYGKE71k5n46dWq/38MPDnjnOOddIfcGEeqdycoFtrR4oXd VtQhvTt6goiSyS7xFsW27crMc4HhlBlWtPDqlN8np/dANlEjYzZB0Oli6MkUCznPOEi5 dD4S+oJFsUBTaqKFiSAObv5q+O0bOVjQ8gTRxBV9BSQBNcq1sGvQb8a4vPJnsjSif2B+ 6qPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.98.8 with SMTP id ee8mr9716254wib.4.1354808033538; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.16.132 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:33:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 07:33:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thank you Rik! Much appreciated, good info for filing my comments with the FCC. 73 Warren On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [74.125.82.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wd2xgj[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10 BODY: Message is 5% to 10% HTML obfuscation 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 567a11ac6cfe1e88f3054745c06178fe Subject: Re: LF: RE: 137kHz Rules and Regs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044287a693f1a304d030d3ec X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600d50c0bfee01d1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --f46d044287a693f1a304d030d3ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thank you Rik! Much appreciated, good info for filing my comments with the FCC. 73 Warren On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Hello Warren, > > > > in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based onCEPT/ERC > Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "*the band 135.7-137.8 kHz may be > used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the Amateur > Service in CEPT countries*" > > So it's 1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.15dB difference (in favour of ERP). > > For most stations however this limit is not an issue as due to > practical restrictions they don't run more than some 10 or 100mW. > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *Van:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [ > owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler [ > wd2xgj@gmail.com] > *Verzonden:* maandag 3 december 2012 23:38 > *To:* rsgb_lf_group > *Onderwerp:* LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs > > Hello the list... > The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. > with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and > power - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximity to > power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W > ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I > feel that this is overly restrictive. > > Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe and > also Canada? > I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. > > Tnx! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --f46d044287a693f1a304d030d3ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Rik!=A0
Much appreciated, good info for filing my comments wi= th the FCC.

73 Warren


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Rik= Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote:

Hello=A0Warren,

=A0

in most=A0European=A0countries the=A0access t= o the=A02200m band is=A0based=A0on CEPT/ERC=A0R= ecommendation 62-01 E=A0that=A0states=A0that &q= uot;the band 135.7-137.8 kHz=A0may=A0be=A0used=A0w= ith a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt=A0on a=A0secondary basis= =A0by the Amateur Service in CEPT countries"=

So=A0it's=A01W ERP=A0instead= of=A01W EIRP, a=A02.15dB=A0difference (= in=A0favour of ERP).

For most stations=A0however=A0this limit is=A0not= =A0an issue as=A0due to practical=A0restrictions= =A0they=A0don't run more=A0than=A0some 10= =A0or 100mW.

=A0

73, Rik=A0=A0ON7YD - OR7T


=A0

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren= Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmai= l.com]
Verzonden: maandag 3 december 2012 23:38
To: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs

Hello the list...
=A0 =A0The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in = the U.S. with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna hei= ght and power - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximit= y to power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of = a power line with an active PLC, I feel that this is overly restrictive.

=A0 =A0 Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe a= nd also Canada?=A0
I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC.

Tnx!


--
73 Warren K2ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

=A0



--
73 Warren K2= ORS
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2
=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1

=A0
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