Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 754493800008A; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Tl4B7-0006Oq-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:54:17 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Tl4B6-0006Oh-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:54:16 +0000 Received: from mail-ia0-f178.google.com ([209.85.210.178]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Tl4Av-0004uL-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:54:15 +0000 Received: by mail-ia0-f178.google.com with SMTP id k25so1003092iah.23 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:53:43 -0800 (PST) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aWjWI0zYS72Oio1nVMwHqFFYzdBUGj++6KNKRf5vAzc=; b=PM0DhgR9UhllwxpezGfT3tf30CuxXKaMtfhnX2/62rawR8W++CKyLv/HCq8vIwWsL3 pXKyU7n3khG+7XyIuVqazy1tstMRMQWGp3LEPd4Mi89vFeAjVDm+sneZaJYRx3sx7U/Q 72jALvhPMt/AB+9BaIqKSCy7AYaSDHp0sXIKlMDUpynp1oCH3mvYf1e4Vp/fdPuONT/Q VbDKB8JCY3r8pxYu6S82roKi7QtD78LCm5MuWzSvGtG7umS2gV1QTDk7GlMZaNQlwq3H mpLx3UzrF2t0/a3UIYdBnucrDRgOPuoivCn3TdlxfYh9xpVq7XrG54+9j+o1kSSNxwwu +oXA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.193.170 with SMTP id hp10mr4525187igc.63.1355864023442; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.157.74 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:53:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121218152622.Horde.XfcUIerSz0VQ0G7_VqKUnlA@posti.anvianet.fi> References: <20121218092921.Horde.h2yZX_rSz0VQ0BtRPVIC2uA@posti.anvianet.fi> <20121218100332.Horde.2ASBc_rSz0VQ0CNU8mNkBhA@posti.anvianet.fi> <20121218152622.Horde.XfcUIerSz0VQ0G7_VqKUnlA@posti.anvianet.fi> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:53:43 +1100 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Paul-Henrik, thanks for the direct link. I am curious to see the pi-tank design. Once I have decided the power output (will be based on the HV transformer I decide to use), I will calculate the matching pi-tank and then try to make the two capacitances using fixed capacitors. This, I hope, will result in a fixed, 50 ohm, output. I usually tune the antenna first using an antenna analyser and only when it is very close to 50 ohm resistive I connect it to my transmitter, so not having a plate and load tuning cap will not be a huge disadvantage. I can always attach a variable cap in parallel to the fixed capacitors in order to have a bit of adjustment available, but I have a feeling it won't make a huge difference. 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I am curious to see the pi-tank design. Once I have decided the power output (will be based on the HV transformer I decide to use), I will calculate the matching pi-tank and then try to make the two capacitances using fixed capacitors. This, I hope, will result in a fixed, 50 ohm, output. I usually tune the antenna first using an antenna analyser and only when it is very close to 50 ohm resistive I connect it to my transmitter, so not having a plate and load tuning cap will not be a huge disadvantage. I can always attach a variable cap in parallel to the fixed capacitors in order to have a bit of adjustment available, but I have a feeling it won't make a huge difference. By the way, Owen VK1OD has produced a couple of very handy online calculators. The first is to calculate properly that initial loadline - no more guess work! It allows you to select the class of operation (A, B or C) and will calculate plate current, plate dissipation and output impedance for a given plate voltage and desired power output: http://vk1od.net/calc/vlle.htm Once the output impedance is known, this calculator can be used to calculate the pi-tank components: http://vk1od.net/calc/pi.htm I think they are quite handy as one can experiment with various configuration scenarios in order to come up with a design that matches the components available. By the way, I like the suggestions of Pete M0FMT. Mixing the output of two xtals in order to get the wanted frequency is an excellent way to get around the lack of 472 kc xtal problem. Also, grinding a lower frequency xtal sounds like an interesting solution too! I opened up one of the FT-241 xtals that was a dud and I looked at the actual xtal. I think it will be easy to remove the rock and attempt to grind it. At a prince of US$2.29, one can afford to buy half a dozen and experiment. After all, it's all about the fun of making a valve transmitter from scratch - literally! 73, Dimitris VK1SV 2012/12/19 : > LF > > The webpage was a bit tricky, here is a direct link to the full size picture > of the TX: > > http://www.cchidgey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/500KHz%20Transmitter_01.jpg > > > BR > > Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >