Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4071A3800009C; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Tfa8q-0003UP-KK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:49:16 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Tfa8p-0003UG-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:49:15 +0000 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Tfa8m-00018M-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:49:14 +0000 Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id qB3HmVos008153 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:48:31 -0500 Received: from core-dfd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dfd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.55.75]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2410CE00008A for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) References: <8CF9F5E9BB1E15A-DA4-45F90@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8CF9F5E9BB1E15A-DA4-45F90@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Markus Vester X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Webmail 37208-BASIC Received: from 194.138.39.55 by webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:48:30 -0500 Message-Id: <8CF9F958A895021-A24-4B33A@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [194.138.39.55] Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:48:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1354556911; bh=ZuBz2AwF0x9brcg5bwNNonmZM8tRr4KTvhXfYWVodm8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e+yYaEAoWiWWL6Kn7+SYLf+Mn/+FffGcutpuR+BhsBe2zQei0GIpqOO8r1yp6/0vL M0rayTazRUYytiRPCYKLY2buEU+oHcDrvOD9BFNdNReHXMKQe9DP465lHHLFkVAb4y L8HsMLDrc87dRCMCxemGesn0VS9pqL2YVEbeb7s0= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458358752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Roelof,  ah, yes, I had overlooked that Trond had already mentioned Fx = 12.700 kHz. According to your measurement, and in analogy to F8 but with F0 replaced by the alternate 781.25, this one should probably be  Fx = 260/16 * 781.25 Hz = 12695.3125 Hz  Will try to check it in a narrow spectrogram when I get home.  Best 73, MArkus  -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 4:26 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Something different [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.105.147 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 96e7ff1ec9673d9aa57a617c94da6cf3 Subject: Re: LF: Something different Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CF9F958AA8420E_A24_11BC03_webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b8950bcf92d5015 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CF9F958AA8420E_A24_11BC03_webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Roelof, =C2=A0 ah, yes, I had overlooked=C2=A0that Trond had already=C2=A0mentioned Fx=C2= =A0=3D 12.700 kHz. According to your measurement, and in analogy to F8 but = with F0 replaced by the alternate 781.25,=C2=A0this one=C2=A0should probabl= y be =C2=A0 Fx =3D 260/16 * 781.25 Hz =3D 12695.3125 Hz =C2=A0 Will try=C2=A0to check=C2=A0it in a narrow spectrogram=C2=A0when I get home= . =C2=A0 Best 73, MArkus =C2=A0 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 4:26 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Something different Hello Markus,=20 =20 I can hear now:=20 =20 11.905 kHz, 12.500 Khz, 12.649 kHz, 12.695 kHz, 13.281 kHz, 14.881 kHz and = =20 15.625 kHz.=20 So there are now 7 stations active.=20 =20 12.695 kHz is not mentioned in Trond's description, but 12.700 kHz is.=20 So, I assume that this is probably the same station and it operates in =20 conjunction with the secondary frequency set.=20 =20 All other frequencies are accurate to the Hz, so 12.695 is that as well.=20 I guess you are aiming for more precision?=20 =20 73,=20 Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 12:16 pm Betreff: Re: LF: Something different ... actually you seem to=C2=A0have found=C2=A0a new one on 12.70 kHz which = has not been listed before.=C2=A0Would be interesting to measure this frequ= ency exactly and try to deduce a common divider. =C2=A0 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 11:45 am Betreff: Re: LF: Something different Hi Roelof, =C2=A0 thanks for the hint. This must be their alternate frequency set, as mention= ed in Trond's article http://www.vlf.it/alphatrond/alpha.htm The extra traces are nicely visible, eg on Lubos' VLF Grabber http://www.ok2bvg.cz/vlfgrabber/ =C2=A0 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 11:19 am Betreff: LF: Something different Hello all,=20 =20 This morning the Russian hyperbolic positiion system Alpha is transmittin= g =20 on three extra frequencies.=20 See attached screenshot.=20 =20 73,=20 Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt=20 =20 ----------MB_8CF9F958AA8420E_A24_11BC03_webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Roelof,
 
ah, yes, I= had overlooked that Trond had already mentioned Fx =3D 12.7= 00 kHz. According to your measurement, and in analogy to F8 but with F0 rep= laced by the alternate 781.25, this one should probably be
 
Fx =3D 260= /16 * 781.25 Hz =3D 12695.3125 Hz
 
Will try&n= bsp;to check it in a narrow spectrogram when I get home.
 
Best 73,
MArkus
 
-----Urspr= =C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 4:26 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Something different


Hello Markus, 

 

I can hear now: 

 

11.905 kHz, 12.500 Khz, 12.649 kHz, 12.695 kHz, 13.281 kHz, 14.881 kHz and =
  

15.625 kHz. 

So there are now 7 stations active. 

 

12.695 kHz is not mentioned in Trond's description, but 12.700 kHz is. 

So, I assume that this is probably the same station and it operates in   
conjunction with the secondary frequency set. 

 

All other frequencies are accurate to the Hz, so 12.695 is that as well. 
I guess you are aiming for more precision? 

 

73, 

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 12:16 pm
Betreff: Re: LF: Something different

... actually you seem to have found a new = one on 12.70 kHz which = has not been listed before. Would be interesting to measure this frequ= ency exactly and try to deduce a common divider.
 
73, Markus=


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester= @aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 11:45 am
Betreff: Re: LF: Something different

Hi Roelof,
 
thanks for= the hint. This must be their alternate frequency set, as mentioned in Tron= d's article
The extra = traces are nicely visible, eg on Lubos' VLF Grabber
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF= 6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Roelof Bakker <roelof@ndb.de= mon.nl>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mo, 3 Dez 2012 11:19 am
Betreff: LF: Something different


Hello all, 

   

  This morning the Russian hyperbolic positiion system Alpha is transmittin=
g   

  on three extra frequencies. 

  See attached screenshot. 

   

  73, 

  Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

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