Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 32F8C38000093; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 03:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TfnUV-00084h-HV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:04:31 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TfnUU-00084Y-Qa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:04:30 +0000 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TfnUT-0003U0-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:04:29 +0000 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: DCA0112803A.A350D X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (icts-p-smtps-2e.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.34]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA0112803A for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:04:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub4.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by icts-p-smtps-2.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D482A20041 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:04:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::312b:f3bc:9c4:4ebb]) by ICTS-S-HUB4.luna.kuleuven.be ([fe80::c11b:83f0:c46c:c366%26]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:04:03 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Thread-Topic: 137kHz Rules and Regs Thread-Index: AQHN0adQuRAL7Co15EmkrK0JFVmLFpgIRln4 Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 08:04:03 +0000 Message-ID: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-BE, en-US Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.112.13.13] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 134.58.240.130 (rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) used invalid HELO/EHLO cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be - verification failed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Hello Warren, in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based on CEPT/ERC Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz may be used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the Amateur Service in CEPT countries" [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [134.58.240.130 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 3efbf4053c1a70bbeb6c0a0cc657f05e Subject: LF: RE: 137kHz Rules and Regs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9ICTSSMBX5lunaku_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad150bdaee54337 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Warren, in most European countries the access to the 2200m band is based on CEPT/ER= C Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz may be = used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary basis by the Amateur Se= rvice in CEPT countries" So it's 1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.15dB difference (in favour of ERP). For most stations however this limit is not an issue as due to practical re= strictions they don't run more than some 10 or 100mW. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com] Verzonden: maandag 3 december 2012 23:38 To: rsgb_lf_group Onderwerp: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs Hello the list... The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham band in the U.S. = with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on antenna height and p= ower - also they may implement some restrictions based on proximity to powe= r line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP (6= .5W EIRP) within 300 meters of a power line with an active PLC, I feel that= this is overly restrictive. Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Europe and also C= anada? I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC. Tnx! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB5C6C9ICTSSMBX5lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Warren,

 

in most European countries the&= nbsp;access to the 2200m band is based = on CEPT/ERC Recommendation 62-01 E that states that "the band 135.7-137.8 kHz&n= bsp;may be used with a maximum e.r.p. of 1 Watt on a secondary b= asis by the Amateur Service in CEPT countries"=

So it's = ;1W ERP instead of 1W EIRP, a 2.= 15dB difference (in favour of ERP).

For most stations however this = limit is not an issue as due to practic= al restrictions they don't run more&nbs= p;than some 10 or 100mW.

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com]
Verzonden: maandag 3 december 2012 23:38
To: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: LF: 137kHz Rules and Regs

Hello the list...
   The FCC is looking to authorize the 135.7-137.8kHz ham ba= nd in the U.S. with 1 W EIRP and beyond that possible restrictions on anten= na height and power - also they may implement some restrictions based on pr= oximity to power line carrier (PLC) equipment. Having operated WD2XGJ with up to 4W ERP (6.5W EIRP) within 300 meters of = a power line with an active PLC, I feel that this is overly restrictive.

    Can anyone tell me what the rules and practice are in Eu= rope and also Canada? 
I would like to include this info in my response to the FCC.

Tnx!


--
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

 
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