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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Laurence, Well, on the EU TA path it looks quite good, Jay is getting good results at that time. There was some snow here, about 5 cm, which melts now. So its all wet and thus the losses a bit higher, maybe 1 dB max. 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There was some snow here, about 5 cm, which melts now. So=20 its all wet and thus the losses a bit higher, maybe 1 dB max. About MF. I'm getting first impressions what is possible on 630m in=20 distances > 5000 km. It looks not easy at all to make that distance=20 above a land path. E.g. UA0SNV got me in QRSS-10 on LF but MF looks to=20 be much harder. OK my LF signal is stronger than my MF signal though,=20 anyway the difference is higher. Would you think there may be a chance to see traces in QRSS-10 or=20 DFCW-15 on 630m in AK? 73, Stefan Am 04.12.2012 23:59, schrieb Laurence KL1 X: > > Beacon away Stefan -:-) Im looking at HF conditions over the Pole, =20 > QRSS snapper at http://kl7uk.com/Alaska.html and I can normally very=20 > roughly scale these for LF/MF - ie "when its not good on any HF band=20 > to Eu its likely that MF or LF will be worse syndrome" - this only=20 > holds for here.... > > At the moment Im seeing only weak signals with some spreading at 10MHz=20 > with that lovelyfast doppler sound which again isnt a good sign - and=20 > thats with a K=3D1 at mid lat. > > I didnt see any Aurora last night as I was fixing up my 8 inch Meade=20 > telescope but had difficulty in looking at anything as the water vapor=20 > from my eye condensed and froze onto the viewfinder. Takes me back a=20 > few years when we were still using Sextants for Polar travel - > > The nice thing is the gear is not all moved into the office and I can=20 > sit in comfort and not freezing my Annulus off. > > Laurence KL 1 X Palmer Wasilla South Central Alaska > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:30:48 +0100 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Transpolar Long carrier test 137.7800 WE2XPQ tonight > > Hi Laurence, > > I wish you good luck. The best chance may be to appear at DF6NM's =B5Hz= =20 > spectrogram. I don't expect you to see you in my 22 mhz spectrogram so=20 > i will have an eye on Markus' results and will be on air for myselfe=20 > this night again, BACON to the west, in DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz, as=20 > usual ;-) Or do you want me to watch out for you as well? > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 04.12.2012 20:52, schrieb Laurence KL1 X: > > > WE2XPQ will be conducting a continuous carrier test overnight on > 137.7800 kHz from around 0100Z till around 1600Z Tonight (thats in > a few hours time). > > Conditions over the Polar regions are getting better but less than > fair at the moment but worth investigating. A no show is still a > result :-) > > Transmitter will be the GPS/10MHz disciplined HP3336B via 4046 > squarer and 4426 driver to the Decca 5501 Amp at around 600W into > a Fir tree 140m loop - ERP is likely to be less than 0.5W in the > main lobe 040/220deg T > > The loop will be modified this coming week if the weather breaks > but its been blowing 40Kts gust and -25C so still nippy on the > face and fingers to do long term outside work. We are also in > a "Red Flag" warning area so have to be careful with sparks and > flames.. > > > > Laurence KL 1 X Wasilla Alaska > --------------010403040105030309080206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK Laurence,

Well, on the EU TA path it looks quite good, Jay is getting good results at that time. There was some snow here, about 5 cm, which melts now. So its all wet and thus the losses a bit higher, maybe 1 dB max.

About MF. I'm getting first impressions what is possible on 630m in distances > 5000 km. It looks not easy at all to make that distance above a land path. E.g. UA0SNV got me in QRSS-10 on LF but MF looks to be much harder. OK my LF signal is stronger than my MF signal though, anyway the difference is higher.
Would you think there may be a chance to see traces in QRSS-10 or DFCW-15 on 630m in AK?

73, Stefan


Am 04.12.2012 23:59, schrieb Laurence KL1 X:

 Beacon away Stefan -:-)  Im looking at HF conditions over the Pole,  QRSS snapper at  http://kl7uk.com/Alaska.html  and I can normally very roughly scale these for LF/MF - ie "when its not good on any HF band to Eu its likely that MF or LF will be worse syndrome" - this only holds for here....
 
At the moment Im seeing only weak signals with some spreading at 10MHz with that lovelyfast doppler sound which again isnt a good sign - and thats with a K=1 at mid lat.
 
I didnt see any Aurora last night as I was fixing up my 8 inch Meade telescope but had difficulty in looking at anything as the water vapor from my eye condensed and froze onto the viewfinder. Takes me back a few years when we were still using Sextants for Polar travel -  
 
The nice thing is the gear is not all moved into the office and I can sit in comfort and not freezing my Annulus off.
 
Laurence KL 1 X Palmer Wasilla South Central Alaska
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 23:30:48 +0100
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Transpolar Long carrier test 137.7800 WE2XPQ tonight

Hi Laurence,

I wish you good luck. The best chance may be to appear at DF6NM's µHz spectrogram. I don't expect you to see you in my 22 mhz spectrogram so i will have an eye on Markus' results and will be on air for myselfe this night again, BACON to the west, in DFCW-90 on 136.172 kHz, as usual ;-) Or do you want me to watch out for you as well?

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 04.12.2012 20:52, schrieb Laurence KL1 X:

WE2XPQ will be conducting a continuous carrier test overnight on 137.7800 kHz from around 0100Z till around 1600Z Tonight (thats in a few hours time).
 
Conditions over the Polar regions are getting better but less than fair at the moment but worth investigating. A no show is still a result :-)
 
Transmitter will be the GPS/10MHz disciplined HP3336B via 4046 squarer and 4426 driver to the Decca 5501 Amp at around 600W into a Fir tree 140m loop - ERP is likely to be less than 0.5W in the main lobe 040/220deg T
 
The loop will be modified this coming week if the weather breaks but its been blowing 40Kts gust and -25C so still nippy on the face and fingers to do long term outside work. We are also in a "Red Flag" warning area so have to be careful with sparks and flames..
 
 
 
Laurence KL 1 X Wasilla Alaska
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