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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Chris Just seen the dreaded words "Band Plan" I think there are some who would not like this, me included. The Band plan is the RSGB Police-mans weapon of choice. Four meters has gone from a friendly rub along band to a band with abusive RSGB Band Plan individuals that are never heard in QSO's but come out of the wood-work and jam the channel in the name of the Band Plans. So nailing my colours firmly to the mast I say no band plan (well not written in stone anyway). I have even had unsolicited e-mails from Amateurs purporting to be RSGB officials who ought to know better. If OFCOM decree some form of plan like avoiding NDBs and the like well OK but they are the only authority that I am prepared to obey apart from a common sense avoidance of deliberate interference something lost on the channel jammers on VHF! [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.213 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4a8faa6952847c1ec651f883b63fc053 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1982344905-1985780904-1356110466=:47091" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a50d49fdc7599 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1982344905-1985780904-1356110466=:47091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris =0A=A0=0AJust seen the dreaded words "Band Plan" I think there are= some who would not like this, me included. The Band plan is the RSGB Polic= e-mans weapon of choice. Four meters has gone from a friendly rub along ban= d to a band with abusive RSGB Band Plan individuals that are never heard in= QSO's but come out of the wood-work and jam the channel in the name of the= =A0Band Plans. =0A=A0=0ASo nailing my colours firmly to the mast I say no b= and plan (well not written in stone anyway). I have even had unsolicited e-= mails from Amateurs purporting to be RSGB officials who ought to know bette= r. If OFCOM decree some form of plan like avoiding NDBs and the like well O= K but they are the only authority that I am prepared to obey apart from a c= ommon sense avoidance of deliberate interference something lost on the chan= nel jammers on VHF!=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=A0=0A>___________= _____________________=0A> From: Stefan Endemann =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 13:02=0A>Subj= ect: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ?=0A> =0A>Hi Pete and Geri,=0A>=0A= >Codec2 might be a viable medium term solution for real-time compression=0A= >of speech for narrow band communication (http://codec2.org/).=0A>=0A>There= is also an interesting presentation about Codec2 by David Rowe on=0A>youtu= be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKsywWf8dQgU=0A>=0A>73 Stefan, DJ2SEA= =0A>=0A>-------- Original Message=A0 --------=0A>Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477= =A0 NOV=A0 What Modes=A0 ?=0A>From: M0FMT =0A>To: rsgb_= lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Date: Fri Dec 21 = 2012 13:37:25 GMT+0100=0A>=0A>> Hi again Geri=0A>>=A0 =0A>> I remember the = SM stns using normal SSB on a beacon QRG 505 +/-. a=0A>> couple of years ag= o but not compressed.=0A>>=A0 =0A>> I was thinking that there must be a met= hod or algorithm that has a look=0A>> up table of "diphones" and is able to= utilise the repetitive sounds,=0A>> spaces and diphones of the language in= use (hard luck German has over=0A>> 2500 Spanish has 800). Thus a real tim= e narrow band communication=0A>> channel carrying only pointing data would = result. The outcome will=0A>> probably be a cross between Donald Duck and S= tephen Hawking in a channel=0A>> of a few Hz? Any mileage (sorry Kilometrea= ge) in the idea?=0A>> Just thought to make the sound like the sender there = could be a real=0A>> time slowed down session of key words to build the dip= hone library prior=0A>> to the contact so the following QSO would sound nea= rly normal. This=0A>> library would build over time so the system training = would only need one=0A>> session for a particular stn then on future QSOs a= call sign entry would=0A>> only be needed...... better stop now I am scari= ng myself. Maybe get it=0A>> all on one PIC...... not?=0A>> http://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesis=0A>>=A0 =0A>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>= > =0A>>=A0 =A0 *From:* Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW =0A>>= =A0 =A0 *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0A>>=A0 =A0 *Cc:* "" =0A>>=A0 =A0 *Sent:* Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:16=0A>>=A0 =A0 = *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ?=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 Markus and = I once had a successful "Slow SSB" QSO on 137 kHz years=0A>>=A0 =A0 ago in= our German 800 Hz bandwidth limitation. We slowed down normal=0A>>=A0 =A0 = voice four times, transmitted it over SSB and expanded it again by=0A>>=A0= =A0 reversing the process ... using the full 7 kHz would make a fine AM= =0A>>=A0 =A0 signal, indeed ... perhaps even a low deviation FM signal wou= ld do?=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 Be creative, by 73=0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 Geri, DK8KW= =0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 m=0A>>=A0 =A0 On 21.12.2012, at 10:34, "Chris" >=A0 =A0 > wrote:= =0A>> =0A>>>=A0 =A0 All modes, as per the licence and 136/7 band.=0A>>>=A0= =A0 Roger, yes, a couple of us are thinking about some QRP AM across=0A>>= >=A0 =A0 town (subject to non QRM to other locals), and why not?=0A>>>=A0 = =A0 Some sort of agreed band plan would be helpful ASAP as well.=0A>>>=A0 = =A0 My two NoVs were dated 20th. December, but it does say 'Date of=0A>>>= =A0 =A0 Issue', which isn't the same as 'Date of Commencement', 'With=0A>>= >=A0 =A0 Effect From' or whatever. It was clear from the Ofcom site where= =0A>>>=A0 =A0 the link was that the NoV comes into effect on 1st. January.= =0A>>>=A0 =A0 Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message -----=0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 *From:* Graham = =0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 *To:* rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org=0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:04 PM=0A>>>=A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 *Subject:* LF: 477 NOV What Modes ?=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 Starting=A0 1/1/13=A0 .. but=A0 =A0 What Modes=A0 non=A0 listed , on= ly=A0 =0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 the=A0 power ??=0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A>>= >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 G..=0A>>>=0A>> =0A>> =0A>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A>> =0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A> --1982344905-1985780904-1356110466=:47091 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris
 
Just seen the dreaded words "Band= Plan" I think there are some who would not like this, me included. The Ban= d plan is the RSGB Police-mans = weapon of choice. Four meters has gone from a friendly rub along band to a = band with abusive RSGB Band Plan individuals that are never heard in QSO's but come out of the wood-work and jam the ch= annel in the name of the Band Plans.
&n= bsp;
So nailing my colours firmly to the mast I say no band= plan (well not written in stone anyway). I have even had unsolicited e-mails from Amateurs purporting to = be RSGB officials who ought to know better. If OFCOM decree some form of plan like avoiding NDBs and the like well OK but they are the only authori= ty that I am prepared to obey apart from a common sense avoidance of delibe= rate interference something los= t on the channel jammers on VHF!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT I= O91UX
 
From: = Stefan Endemann <dj2sea@darc.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 13:02
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ?=

Hi Pete and Geri,

Codec2 might be a viable m= edium term solution for real-time compression
of speech for narrow band = communication (http://code= c2.org/).

There is also an interesting presentation about Codec2= by David Rowe on
youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKsywWf8dQgU<= /a>

73 Stefan, DJ2SEA

-------- Original Message  -------= -
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 477  NOV  What Modes  ?
From: = M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Fri Dec 21 2012 13:37:25 GMT+= 0100

> Hi again Geri
> 
> I remember the SM stn= s using normal SSB on a beacon QRG 505 +/-. a
> couple of years ago b= ut not compressed.
> 
> I was thinking that there must be= a method or algorithm that has a look
> up table of "diphones" and i= s able to utilise the repetitive sounds,
> spaces and diphones of the= language in use (hard luck German has over
> 2500 Spanish has 800). = Thus a real time narrow band communication
> channel carrying only po= inting data would result. The outcome will
> probably be a cross betw= een Donald Duck and Stephen Hawking in a channel
> of a few Hz? Any mile= age (sorry Kilometreage) in the idea?
> Just thought to make the soun= d like the sender there could be a real
> time slowed down session of= key words to build the diphone library prior
> to the contact so the= following QSO would sound nearly normal. This
> library would build = over time so the system training would only need one
> session for a = particular stn then on future QSOs a call sign entry would
> only be = needed...... better stop now I am scaring myself. Maybe get it
> all = on one PIC...... not?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_synthesi= s
> 
> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
>
>&nb= sp;   *From:* Holger 'Geri' DK8KW DI2BO W1KW <geri@dk8kw.de>
>   = ; *To:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>    *= Cc:* "<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>   = ; *Sent:* Friday, 21 December 2012, 11:16
>    *Subject:*= Re: LF: Re: 477 NOV What Modes ?
>
>    Markus and= I once had a successful "Slow SSB" QSO on 137 kHz years
>  &nbs= p; ago in our German 800 Hz bandwidth limitation. We slowed down normal>    voice four times, transmitted it over SSB and expanded it again by=
>    reversing the process ... using the full 7 kHz would= make a fine AM
>    signal, indeed ... perhaps even a low= deviation FM signal would do?
>
>    Be creative, = by 73
>
>    Geri, DK8KW
>
>  &nb= sp; m
>    On 21.12.2012, at 10:34, "Chris" <c.ashby435@btinternet.com
>    <mailto:c.ashby435@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>
>>= ;    All modes, as per the licence and 136/7 band.
>>&n= bsp;   Roger, yes, a couple of us are thinking about some QRP AM acro= ss
>>    town (subject to non QRM to other locals), and why not?
>>    Some sort of agreed band plan would be = helpful ASAP as well.
>>    My two NoVs were dated 20th= . December, but it does say 'Date of
>>    Issue', whic= h isn't the same as 'Date of Commencement', 'With
>>    = Effect From' or whatever. It was clear from the Ofcom site where
>&g= t;    the link was that the NoV comes into effect on 1st. Januar= y.
>>    Vy 73, Chris, G4AYT, Whitstable, Kent.
>= >
>>        ----- Original Message ----->>        *From:* Graham <mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>>        *T= o:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>        <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org>
>>        *Sent:* Thursday, = December 20, 2012 5:04 PM
>>        *Subject:= * LF: 477 NOV What Modes ?
>>
>>      &nbs= p; Starting  1/1/13  .. but    What Modes  non&= nbsp; listed , only 
>>        the = ; power ??
>>         
>> =       G..
>>
>
>
>  &nbs= p;  
>



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