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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Graham I get the message. What modes are going to be allowed on the new band since it is an international allocation? Will there be a band width imposed for any transmission type. I suppose we could down load the DL licences conditions to see what they are allowed. Because up to now dependent upon what you put in your NoV application is what you can do. Did anyone put down 'Phone SSB 1.8kc/s BW for 501/4? The new band has about enough room for four non interfering SSB channels. And with overlap many more with Q5 potential SSTV, FAX all possible. If there is too much restriction it may stifle innovation, on the other hand set up a barrier and a way round it will be found. However we are in the dark now but all will be revealed soon definitely before 1/1/2013 according to my sources. Mal There is no doubt that he is a dyed in the wool OP with that antenna farm WOW! I listen on TB at bottom end during the winter months and the antennas some of them are using are huge not to mention the power.... :-). With comments like "Just a minute old man I'll turn the beam " and its not a joke! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.196 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7117f452ff11af9bac782a916713f0d7 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1982344905-1673934191-1355401686=:73904" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mg02.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60ca50c9ca203fd8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1982344905-1673934191-1355401686=:73904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK Graham =0A=A0=0AI get the message. What modes are going to be allowed on= the new band since it is an international allocation? Will there be a band= width imposed for any transmission type. I suppose we could down load the = DL licences conditions to see what they are allowed. Because up to now depe= ndent upon what you put in your NoV application is what you can do. Did any= one put down=A0 'Phone SSB 1.8kc/s BW for 501/4? The new band has about eno= ugh room for=A0four non interfering SSB channels. And with overlap many mor= e with Q5 potential SSTV, FAX all possible. If there is too much restrictio= n it may stifle innovation, on the other hand=A0set up a barrier and a way = round it will be found.=A0However we are in the dark now=A0but all will be = revealed soon=A0definitely before 1/1/2013 according to my sources.=0A=A0= =0AMal=0AThere is no doubt that he is a dyed in the wool OP with that anten= na farm WOW! I listen on TB at bottom end during the winter months and the = antennas some of them are using are huge not to mention the power.... :-). = With comments like "Just a minute old man I'll turn the beam............ " = and its not a joke!=0A=A0=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0A=0A>___________= _____________________=0A> From: Graham =0A>To: rsg= b_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 0:24=0A>Sub= ject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room=0A> =0A>=0A>CW ? good=A0 hea= vens=A0 no , why I was=A0 using=A0 CW on =0A500=A0 the=A0 other=A0 day=A0 t= ill=A0 next=A0 door=A0 =0Aswitched there=A0 festive=A0 flashing=A0 lights= =A0 on=A0 =0Aand=A0 reduced the=A0 episode=A0 to=A0 a=A0 total=A0 nonsense = =0A=A0! though=A0 come to=A0 think of it , the=A0 signals=A0 =0Awhere=A0 st= rong enough=A0 to=A0 of=A0 used=A0 one of the=A0 =0Aspread spectrum=A0 data= =A0 modes=A0 and=A0 would=A0 not=A0 =0Aof=A0 noticed=A0 the=A0 hash !=A0 an= d=A0 live=A0 CW=A0 in =0Athe=A0 mariana trench=A0 is virtually=A0=A0 un hea= rd of=A0 , in =0Aall=A0 my=A0 listening=A0 , I can=A0 remember=A0 one=A0 = =0Astation=A0 calling=A0 with=A0 live=A0 CW on 136=A0 , I =0Athink=A0 a=A0 = GM=A0 , years=A0 ago=A0 ?=A0 since then=A0 =0Athe=A0 orange=A0 people=A0 ha= ve=A0 taken=A0 over, using=A0 =0Athe=A0 'one eyed monsters' ( sea versions= =A0 ? or=A0 c++ )=A0! =0A>=0A>I think=A0 500=A0 should=A0 be=A0 looked=A0 o= n as the=A0 =0Anext=A0 band=A0 down=A0 from=A0 160=A0 , we=A0 have=A0 =0Apr= oved=A0 there=A0 is=A0 nothing=A0 magical about the=A0 band , =0A40 feet=A0= of wire=A0 with a=A0 coke=A0 bottle=A0 on the=A0 =0Aend=A0 has=A0 crossed= =A0 the=A0 pond , with=A0=A0 wspr ,=A0 =0Aros-mf-7=A0 and=A0 opera=A0 modes= =A0 , ok it=A0 took 750=A0 =0Afeet=A0of wire =A0to=A0 get a=A0 live=A0 CW= =A0 contact=A0 =0Awith=A0 Newfoundland , but that=A0 was=A0 with=A0 50 watt= s=A0, =0Aand=A0 hard=A0 work as=A0 no one=A0 knew=A0 where=A0 the=A0 =0Awin= dow=A0 was , so=A0 4 of=A0 us spent=A0 hours taking it=A0 in =0Aturns =A0 h= and keying=A0 gb4fpr in the=A0 dead of=A0 night=A0 =0A.. =0A>=0A>I was thin= king=A0 more=A0 of the=A0 orange=A0 light=A0 =0Abrigade ,=A0 with=A0=A0 his= torical=A0 modes=A0 : )=A0 =0A=A0new=A0 stations=A0 are=A0 starting=A0 to= =A0 associate=A0 =0Alow noise=A0=A0 limited=A0 text length =0Amodes=A0=A0= =A0which=A0 cannot=A0 pass=A0 the=A0 two=A0 =0Acat's =A0and=A0 dog=A0 test= =A0 with=A0 real=A0=A0 keyboard =0Ato keyboard data=A0 qso's=A0.=A0 , even= =A0 with the=A0 =0Aprospect=A0 of=A0 a=A0 new=A0 band , there=A0 was not=A0= =0Aeven=A0 a hint=A0 of=A0 MF=A0 at the=A0 rsgb =0Aconvention=A0=A0 in Oct= ober , so=A0 what=A0 has=A0 happened=A0 =0A?=A0 =A0 what=A0 ever it=A0 is ,= there=A0 are=A0 going =0Ato=A0 be a=A0 lot of=A0 new=A0 users=A0 very soon= =A0 , =0Athe=A0 last=A0 thing=A0 anyone=A0 needs=A0 is=A0 a =0Are-run=A0 of= 'Beacon Bedlam'=A0=A0 brought on by=A0 miss=A0 =0Aguided=A0 guidance=A0 ! = =0A>=0A>73 -G.. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>From: M0FMT =0A>Sent: Wednesd= ay, December 12, 2012 10:37 PM =0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Su= bject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room =0A>=0A> =0A>=0A> =0A>Hi Gr= aham =0A>=0A>If that was a thinly veiled insult to CW then =0AI'm disappoin= ted. Other modes require the one eyed =0Amonster out of silicon valley=A0an= d power hungry devices for=A0machine-human interface need I say =0Amore? Or= have I read you wrong? =0A>=0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT =0AIO91UX=0A> =0A>=0A>= >________________________________=0A>>From: Graham =0A>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2= 012, 21:45=0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room=0A>>=0A>>= =0A>>Its=A0 not the=A0 radio=A0rooms =A0Pete , its=A0 the=A0deep =A0sea mo= nsters=A0 rising=A0 from the=A0 depths=A0 of=A0=A0 over=A0 2000=A0 meters= =A0 , some=A0 over 37,000=A0 metres=A0 and=A0 taking=A0 over=A0 our=A0=A0= 600=A0 meter=A0 play pool with pre hysterical =A0modes=A0 ! =0A>>=0A>> = =0A>>From: M0FMT =0A>>Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:34 PM =0A>>To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Ra= dio Room =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>Hi all =0A>>=A0 =0A>>Way way too much RADIO but c= an you have too much radio? ............. you decide.=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>73 es= GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>>________________________________=0A>>>= From: Clemens Paul =0A>>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = =0A>>>Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 20:15=0A>>>Subject: LF: RE: Fw: S= uperb Ships Radio Room=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>>...and here is a superb HAM= radio room (scroll down!) =0A>>>=A0 =0A>>>http://www.qrz.com/db/w9evt =0A= >>>=0A>>>73=0A>>>Clemens=0A>>>DL4RAJ =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>>____________= ____________________=0A>>>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailt= o:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton=0A>>>>Sent:= Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:21 PM=0A>>>>To: rsgb=0A>>>>Subject: LF: Fw= : Superb Ships Radio Room=0A>>>>=0A>>>> =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=A0 =0A>= >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTYtCAMvr4qg =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>>>=A0 =0A>>= >>E-Mail ist virenfrei.=0A>>>>Von AVG =FCberpr=FCft - http://www.avg.de/=0A= >>>>Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virendatenbank: 2634/5453 - Ausgabedatum: 12.12= .2012 =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A>=0A>=A0 --1982344905-1673934191-1355401686=:73904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK Graham
 
I get the message. What modes = are going to be allowed on the new band since it is an international alloca= tion? Will there be a band width imposed for any transmission type. I suppose we could down load the DL li= cences conditions to see what they are allowed. Because up to now dependent= upon what you put in your NoV application is what you can do. Did anyone p= ut down  'Phone SSB 1.8kc/s BW for 501/4? The new band has about enoug= h room for four non interfering SSB channels. And with overlap many mo= re with Q5 potential SSTV, FAX all possible. If there is too much restricti= on it may stifle innovation, on= the other hand set up a barrier and a way round it will be found. However we are in the dark now but all will be revealed s= oon definitely before 1/1/2013 according to my sources.
 
Mal
There is = no doubt that he is a dyed in the wool OP with that antenna farm WOW! I lis= ten on TB at bottom end during the winter months and the antennas some of t= hem are using are huge not to mention the power.... :-). With comments like= "Just a minute old man I'll turn the beam............ " and its not a joke= !
 
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=
From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk= >
To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
Sent:= Thursday, 13 December 2012, 0:24
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room
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CW ? good  heavens = no , why I was  using  CW on =0A500  the  other  = day  till  next  door  =0Aswitched there  festive&= nbsp; flashing  lights  on  =0Aand  reduced the  e= pisode  to  a  total  nonsense =0A ! though  = come to  think of it , the  signals  =0Awhere  strong e= nough  to  of  used  one of the  =0Aspread spectru= m  data  modes  and  would  not  =0Aof  = noticed  the  hash !  and  live  CW  in =0Ath= e  mariana trench  is virtually   un heard of  , i= n =0Aall  my  listening  , I can  remember  one&nb= sp; =0Astation  calling  with  live  CW on 136  , = I =0Athink  a  GM  , years  ago  ?  since the= n  =0Athe  orange  people  have  taken  over,= using  =0Athe  'one eyed monsters' ( sea versions  ? or&nbs= p; c++ ) !
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I think  500  sh= ould  be  looked  on as the  =0Anext  band  d= own  from  160  , we  have  =0Aproved  there&= nbsp; is  nothing  magical about the  band , =0A40 feet = ; of wire  with a  coke  bottle  on the  =0Aend&nb= sp; has  crossed  the  pond , with   wspr ,  = =0Aros-mf-7  and  opera  modes  , ok it  took 750&= nbsp; =0Afeet of wire  to  get a  live  CW  c= ontact  =0Awith  Newfoundland , but that  was  with&nbs= p; 50 watts , =0Aand  hard  work as  no one  knew&= nbsp; where  the  =0Awindow  was , so  4 of  us sp= ent  hours taking it  in =0Aturns   hand keying  gb4fpr= in the  dead of  night  =0A..
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=0A<= div>I was thinking  more  of the  orange  light  = =0Abrigade ,  with   historical  modes  : )  = =0A new  stations  are  starting  to  associa= te  =0Alow noise   limited  text length =0Amodes &= nbsp; which  cannot  pass  the  two  =0Acat's=  and  dog  test  with  real   keyboard = =0Ato keyboard data  qso's .  , even  with the  = =0Aprospect  of  a  new  band , there  was not&nbs= p; =0Aeven  a hint  of  MF  at the  rsgb =0Aconven= tion   in October , so  what  has  happened  = =0A?    what  ever it  is , there  are  going= =0Ato  be a  lot of  new  users  very soon  = , =0Athe  last  thing  anyone  needs  is  a = =0Are-run  of 'Beacon Bedlam'   brought on by  miss&nbs= p; =0Aguided  guidance  !
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73 -G.= .
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Sent: Wednesd= ay, December 12, 2012 10:37 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room
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=0AIf that was a thinly veiled insult to CW then =0AI'm disappointed. Other modes require the one eyed =0Amonster o= ut of silicon valley and power hun= gry devices for machine-human interface need I say =0Amore? Or = have I read you wrong?
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73 es GL Pete M0FMT =0AIO91UX
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From: Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.= fsnet.co.uk>
To:= rsgb_lf_group@b= lacksheep.org =0A
Sent: Wednesday, 12 December =0A 2012, 21:45
Subject: Re: LF: =0A RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Ro= om

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=0A Its  not the  radio rooms  Pete , its  =0A the=  deep  sea monsters  rising  from the  =0A depths=   of   over  2000  meters  , some  =0A = over 37,000  metres  and  taking  over  =0A our&n= bsp;  600  meter  play pool with pre hysterical =0A  m= odes  !
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Sent= : Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:34 PM
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Subj= ect: Re: LF: RE: Fw: Superb Ships Radio Room
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Way =0A way too much RADIO but can you have too much radio? ............. you =0A decide.<= br>
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73 es GL =0A Pete M0FMT IO91UX
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From: Cle= mens Paul <cpaul@gmx.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 =0A Decemb= er 2012, 20:15
Subject:= LF: RE: Fw<= /span>: Superb Ships =0A Radio Room

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...and here is a superb HAM radio room (scroll =0A down!)
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Clemens
DL4RAJ
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From: =0A owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, =0A December = 12, 2012 8:21 PM
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