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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Wolf, Am 25.11.2012 18:36, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: > > Am 25.11.2012 17:41, schrieb Stefan Schäfer: >> MF, >> >> SM6BGP is running a QRSS-3 BEACON at 472.2 kHz. Mal, what do you >> think about that? ;-) >> > Similar as I do, even though I don't always agree with Mal. > Don't we have enough (commercial) MF beacons ? Enough commercial beacons: yes. Enough amateur beacons: no! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 4b5b5ebe37a4c4f430f59bc35c1947b0 Subject: Re: LF: SM6BGP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408150b2911e7c95 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Wolf, Am 25.11.2012 18:36, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: > > Am 25.11.2012 17:41, schrieb Stefan Sch=E4fer: >> MF, >> >> SM6BGP is running a QRSS-3 BEACON at 472.2 kHz. Mal, what do you=20 >> think about that? ;-) >> > Similar as I do, even though I don't always agree with Mal. > Don't we have enough (commercial) MF beacons ? Enough commercial beacons: yes. Enough amateur beacons: no! There are many amateurs who like to receive beacons for various reasons.=20 But usually amateurs want to receive signals generated by amateurs, not=20 any signal by whatever commercial station. Otherwise we could argue "=20 Why the hell do we make that terrible effort to arrange a LF transmit=20 system and generate our own signals although we have DCF-39 and HGA-22?=20 Our signals will never be as strong as that of DCF-39..." It is a nice=20 part of amateur work at MF/LF to generate beacon signals just for fun=20 and to receive them just for fun. For example i simply like to be on=20 air, QSO mode or not, it doesn't matter. It is the fascination to know=20 that some RF energy is radiated from this piece of wire hanging in the=20 air in this moment. You know on LF it is hard to find a QSO mode station=20 at all. So i transmit in beacon mode when it is not likely that someone=20 answers my CQ on 137.7, like a few hours ago! For MF it is the same. Of=20 course QSOs are preferred. > Why not move our own beacons to the upper end of the band, in the=20 > vincinity of the other beacons, and closer the QRSS / digimode area=20 > where beaconing doesn't cause so much hassle as near the 'CW=20 > frequency', where most CW receivers are "parking in idle" ? I fully agree! "We" should establish a QRSS center frequency somewhere=20 outside the CW region. But the band is young and i guess that time will=20 find a solution, hopefully. > > 73, > Wolf > > (thinking twice if its worth to try CW around 472.3 kHz tonight..=20 > sigh...) I am calling CQ all the time during writing this email :-) Saw that=20 DF5QG worked SM6BGP in the DX cluster. Hopefully he is still not=20 sleeping ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC