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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mal, If you're generating 500 kHz with a HF TRX then this can happen. I guess the output transformer of the PA appears almost like a short cut for the output FETs, so the losses will be relatively high. A 3 dB attenuator on the output will not help of course. One method may be to contact the driver directly, as you say. Or, find the pot to allow to set the output power to even lower levels. I have an IC-275H for 2m which has a pot to adjust the RF power from 10...100W. But inside there is a seconds pot. With this pot it is possible to increase the range to 1...100W ! 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I guess the output transformer of the PA appears almost like a short cut for the output FETs, so the losses will be relatively high. A 3 dB attenuator on the output will not help of course. One method may be to contact the driver directly, as you say. Or, find the pot to allow to set the output power to even lower levels. I have an IC-275H for 2m which has a pot to adjust the RF power from 10...100W. But inside there is a seconds pot. With this pot it is possible to increase the range to 1...100W ! Or you may try to run the TRX on 11V instead of 13.8V! Just insert 2 or 3 diodes in series... 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 06.11.2012 17:45, schrieb mal hamilton: > RIG/TRANSVERTER HEAT > I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low power for Transverter > or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would appear that > this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a dedicated > low power output. > I was wondering what system was used to reduce this power. It would be > better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver stage. > It is vy noticeable on an IC-706 > de G3KEV --------------000405040103010202020501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mal,

If you're generating 500 kHz with a HF TRX then this can happen. I guess the output transformer of the PA appears almost like a short cut for the output FETs, so the losses will be relatively high.
A 3 dB attenuator on the output will not help of course.
One method may be to contact the driver directly, as you say. Or, find the pot to allow to set the output power to even lower levels. I have an IC-275H for 2m which has a pot to adjust the RF power from 10...100W. But inside there is a seconds pot. With this pot it is possible to increase the range to 1...100W !

Or you may try to run the TRX on 11V instead of 13.8V! Just insert 2 or 3 diodes in series...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 06.11.2012 17:45, schrieb mal hamilton:
   RIG/TRANSVERTER HEAT
I have noticed when running a Transceiver at low power for Transverter or other use the Transceiver PA gets very HOT so it would appear that this is an inefficient approach except the Transceiver has a dedicated low power output.
I was wondering what system was used to reduce this power. It would be better to disable the PA and take the output from the driver stage.
It is vy noticeable on an IC-706
 
de G3KEV
 
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