Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9AFDF380000BC; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TWUIH-000298-C0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:45:25 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TWUIG-00028z-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:45:24 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TWUID-0005Vn-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:45:23 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEKAEHSm1BcHnMK/2dsb2JhbABBA8JrA3yBCYIZBQEBBQgBAQNJAhUXAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEKFwENFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh328KowSgSGBfIMqA4glhU+YSoJv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,738,1344207600"; d="scan'208,217";a="399211725" Received: from host-92-30-115-10.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.30.115.10]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 08 Nov 2012 15:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01cdbdc8$08d86280$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <509AEF58.7050906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001701cdbdc0$2612a8e0$0501a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <509BC96B.409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:45:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan It is interesting to see who is on the band but NOT a machine uttering gibberish most of the time. One thing that has been neglected is MURRAY CODE being transmitted like QRSS. It can be sent at various speeds and can be read directly off the screen like DFCW. The Murray code can be learned like MORSE and when used by the GPO years ago the speed to qualify was 15 wpm reading from an undulator tape. Since it is a ONE level mode and with todays technology can be read directly on a screen it would be a good alternative to DFCW 5 unit Murray Code - start learning - real Radio Operator participation [...] Content analysis details: (3.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 3.8 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: 799afa1b224c6472a7a54c2fda9f06de Subject: Re: LF: 475 khz WSPR and VLF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01CDBDC8.08A89FF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_EXISTS_TBODY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4118509bd3ea086a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CDBDC8.08A89FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan It is interesting to see who is on the band but NOT a machine uttering = gibberish most of the time. One thing that has been neglected is MURRAY CODE being transmitted like = QRSS. It can be sent at various speeds and can be read directly off the = screen like DFCW. The Murray code can be learned like MORSE and when = used by the GPO years ago the speed to qualify was 15 wpm reading from = an undulator tape. Since it is a ONE level mode and with todays technology can be read = directly on a screen it would be a good alternative to DFCW=20 5 unit Murray Code - start learning - real Radio Operator participation de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: LF: 475 khz WSPR and VLF Am 08.11.2012 15:48, schrieb mal hamilton:=20 Stefan 54 machines listening to each other and not a Real Operator about. = This is a good example of Appliance Operator activities. This is not = Real Amateur radio, there is no personal touch. Leave your machine = unattended and hope for the best when you return from a night out or get = up in the morning. Is the the future for MF?? No, the future is for CW! :-) If CW dies out then the whole amateur = radio dies out. It would not take to long then because CW never becomes = boring. It is fascinating to experience to listen and to instantly = "decode" the dashes and dots. It's like listening to music.=20 However in digimodes, there always has to be a new mode, each few = months. You know that, i know that, we know that. So don't worry! Anyway, there is no reason not to transmit on a ready to use antenna = while beeing outside the shack. This helps to move some interest from HF = to MF and to generate newcomers and so on. Also it is interesting to see = what is possible and to see who is on the band (or who's PC is on the = band if you prefer that). 73, Stefan/DK7FC g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:31 PM Subject: Re: LF: 475 khz WSPR and VLF GE/GM LF/MF :-) Thanks to all the many MF stations who reported to my WSPR beacon. = There were 54 stations since yesterdays evening, attached below. Just came back from the club meeting where i hold my presentation = of the VLF experiments done in 2010/2011. The OMs were very interested = and amazed. There was silence during that time i told to them :-) Again = big thanks to this group, who is a big part of the Dreamers Band stuff = :-)=20 I didn't find the time to stop the TX here in the shack so i am on = air in WSPR since yesterdays evening :-) Guess i'll stop it soon. 73, GN, Stefan/DK7FC Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az=20 2012-11-07 22:54 DK7FC 0.475761 -10 0 JN49ik 1 = LA5VNA JO59jq 1147 6 =20 2012-11-07 21:06 DK7FC 0.475692 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = PA2RF JO22gb 414 316 =20 2012-11-07 20:48 DK7FC 0.475762 +14 0 JN49ik 1 = MICHAEL JN49bf 48 241 =20 2012-11-07 20:18 DK7FC 0.475740 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = PE5E JO33eh 460 340 =20 2012-11-07 19:54 DK7FC 0.475762 -8 0 JN49ik 1 = F4DTL JN18fp 464 261 =20 2012-11-07 19:00 DK7FC 0.475761 -4 0 JN49ik 1 = LA4ANA JO59cu 1162 4 =20 2012-11-07 16:48 DK7FC 0.475762 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = G8HUH IO81mg 851 288 =20 2012-11-07 07:06 DK7FC 0.475752 -7 0 JN49ik 1 = DF2JP JO31jg 245 327 =20 2012-11-07 06:12 DK7FC 0.475762 -27 0 JN49ik 1 = DL8YCA JO31or 276 338 =20 2012-11-07 01:24 DK7FC 0.475762 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = WE2XGR/2 FN31ls 6099 295 =20 2012-11-07 00:48 DK7FC 0.475761 -26 0 JN49ik 1 = WG2XKA FN33ir 5983 298 =20 2012-11-06 23:42 DK7FC 0.475761 +11 0 JN49ik 1 = PA3ABK/47 JO21it 386 315 =20 2012-11-06 23:42 DK7FC 0.475762 +3 0 JN49ik 1 = GM4SLV IP90gg 1366 336 =20 2012-11-06 23:42 DK7FC 0.475762 +3 0 JN49ik 1 = OR7T JO20ix 332 303 =20 2012-11-06 23:36 DK7FC 0.475750 -11 0 JN49ik 1 = SM6BHZ JO57wq 941 12 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = IK1WVQ JN44cb 599 184 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 -18 0 JN49ik 1 = G0MJI IO83ni 913 303 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 +3 0 JN49ik 1 = OH1LSQ KP03td 1713 22 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 +5 0 JN49ik 1 = DF6NM JN59nj 175 91 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 -7 0 JN49ik 1 = SV2DCD KN00pl 1401 131 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475762 -13 0 JN49ik 1 = PA0O JO33hg 450 342 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.477262 -8 0 JN49ik 1 = SV8CS KM07js 1617 139 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.478562 -9 0 JN49ik 1 = DL1DAM JO31tn 248 342 =20 2012-11-06 23:00 DK7FC 0.475766 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = DG3LV JO53gv 512 14 =20 2012-11-06 22:54 DK7FC 0.475761 -15 0 JN49ik 1 = G3XBM JO02dg 669 301 =20 2012-11-06 22:54 DK7FC 0.475760 -19 0 JN49ik 1 = R3LW KO54mq 1626 60 =20 2012-11-06 22:54 DK7FC 0.475762 +8 0 JN49ik 1 = F5WK JN18hp 452 261 =20 2012-11-06 22:48 DK7FC 0.475762 -17 0 JN49ik 1 = G6AVK JO01ho 620 296 =20 2012-11-06 22:36 DK7FC 0.475763 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = G0KTN IO81ti 813 289 =20 2012-11-06 22:30 DK7FC 0.475762 -7 0 JN49ik 1 = PA3FNY JO22nc 389 321 =20 2012-11-06 22:24 DK7FC 0.475761 -24 0 JN49ik 1 = WD2XSH/17 FN42pb 5927 294 =20 2012-11-06 22:24 DK7FC 0.475762 -9 0 JN49ik 1 = G3WCB IO91rm 694 293 =20 2012-11-06 22:18 DK7FC 0.475762 -12 0 JN49ik 1 = DL4YHF JO42fd 302 357 =20 2012-11-06 21:42 DK7FC 0.475789 -1 -1 JN49ik 1 = DK6NI JN59ln 163 84 =20 2012-11-06 21:24 DK7FC 0.501562 +5 0 JN49ik 1 = M0PPP IO93gm 837 307 =20 2012-11-06 20:42 DK7FC 0.475762 -24 0 JN49ik 1 = DD7PC JN49ax 77 322 =20 2012-11-06 20:36 DK7FC 0.501562 +2 0 JN49ik 1 = M0PAF IO93gm 837 307 =20 2012-11-06 20:06 DK7FC 0.475762 -12 0 JN49ik 1 = LA3JJ JO59bh 1102 4 =20 2012-11-06 20:06 DK7FC 0.475669 -3 0 JN49ik 1 = DL8WX JO30we 103 325 =20 2012-11-06 19:54 DK7FC 0.475761 -24 0 JN49ik 1 = RX3DHR KO94ks 2125 62 =20 2012-11-06 19:36 DK7FC 0.475762 +5 0 JN49ik 1 = DJ7KA JO61pb 373 59 =20 2012-11-06 19:36 DK7FC 0.475764 +13 0 JN49ik 1 = DF8UO JN48ex 56 206 =20 2012-11-06 19:36 DK7FC 0.475762 +8 0 JN49ik 1 = PI4THT JO32kf 336 338 =20 2012-11-06 19:36 DK7FC 0.475761 +11 0 JN49ik 1 = DL1DBC JO41bi 217 349 =20 2012-11-06 18:42 DK7FC 0.475761 +7 0 JN49ik 1 = F59706 JN07th 574 248 =20 2012-11-06 18:42 DK7FC 0.475704 -18 1 JN49ik 1 = DD5CF JO30nq 179 321 =20 2012-11-06 18:30 DK7FC 0.475762 +6 0 JN49ik 1 = DF1VB JO31sk 237 340 =20 2012-11-06 18:24 DK7FC 0.475762 -21 0 JN49ik 1 = G4CAO IO91si 683 292 =20 2012-11-06 18:18 DK7FC 0.475767 -1 0 JN49ik 1 = G3XVL JO02nb 608 302 =20 2012-11-06 18:00 DK7FC 0.475761 +11 0 JN49ik 1 = F6CNI JN19qb 389 266 =20 2012-11-06 17:54 DK7FC 0.475762 +9 0 JN49ik 1 = DJ8WX JO43sv 499 6 =20 2012-11-06 17:36 DK7FC 0.475660 +2 0 JN49ik 1 = DF2LS JO53dr 490 12 =20 2012-11-06 16:48 DK7FC 0.475644 -12 0 JN49ik 1 = DG1LHM JO53hr 495 15 =20 2012-11-06 16:30 DK7FC 0.475642 -22 0 JN49ik 1 = DL3ZID JO53po 497 20=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01CDBDC8.08A89FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan
It is interesting to see who is on the band but = NOT a=20 machine uttering gibberish most of the time.
One thing that has been neglected is MURRAY CODE = being=20 transmitted like QRSS. It can be sent at various speeds and can be read = directly=20 off the screen like DFCW. The Murray code can be learned like MORSE and = when=20 used by the GPO years ago the speed to qualify was 15 wpm reading from = an=20 undulator tape.
Since it is a ONE level mode and with = todays=20 technology can be read directly on a screen it would be a good = alternative to=20 DFCW
 5 unit Murray Code - start learning - real = Radio=20 Operator participation
 
 
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Thursday, November 08, = 2012 3:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 475 khz WSPR = and=20 VLF


Am 08.11.2012 15:48, schrieb mal hamilton:=20
Stefan
54 machines listening to each other and not = a Real=20 Operator about. This is a good example of Appliance Operator=20 activities. This is not Real Amateur radio, there is no = personal touch.=20 Leave your machine unattended and hope for the best when you = return=20 from a night out or get up in the = morning.

Is the the future for = MF??
No,=20 the future is for CW! :-) If CW dies out then the whole amateur radio = dies=20 out. It would not take to long then because CW never becomes boring. = It is=20 fascinating to experience to listen and to instantly "decode" the = dashes and=20 dots. It's like listening to music.
However in digimodes, there = always has=20 to be a new mode, each few months. You know that, i know that, we know = that.=20 So don't worry!

Anyway, there is no reason not to transmit on a = ready=20 to use antenna while beeing outside the shack. This helps to move some = interest from HF to MF and to generate newcomers and so on. Also it is = interesting to see what is possible and to see who is on the band (or = who's PC=20 is on the band if you prefer that).

73,=20 Stefan/DK7FC





g3kev
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Stefan Sch=E4fer To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent:=20 Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:31 PM Subject:=20 Re: LF: 475 khz WSPR and VLF

GE/GM LF/MF :-)

Thanks to all the many MF = stations=20 who reported to my WSPR beacon. There were 54 stations since = yesterdays=20 evening, attached below.

Just came back from the club = meeting where=20 i hold my presentation of the VLF experiments done in 2010/2011. = The OMs=20 were very interested and amazed. There was silence during = that time=20 i told to them :-) Again big thanks to this group, who is a big = part of=20 the Dreamers Band stuff :-)

I didn't find the time to stop = the TX=20 here in the shack so i am on air in WSPR since yesterdays evening = :-)=20 Guess i'll stop it soon.

73, GN, Stefan/DK7FC


 20
Timestamp Call MHz SNR Drift Grid Pwr Reporter RGrid km az
 2012-11-07 22:54   DK7FC   0.475761   -10   0   JN49ik   1   LA5VNA   JO59jq   1147   6 
 2012-11-07 21:06   DK7FC   0.475692   -26   0   JN49ik   1   PA2RF   JO22gb   414   316 
 2012-11-07 20:48   DK7FC   0.475762   +14   0   JN49ik   1   MICHAEL   JN49bf   48   241 
 2012-11-07 20:18   DK7FC   0.475740   -3   0   JN49ik   1   PE5E   JO33eh   460   340 
 2012-11-07 19:54   DK7FC   0.475762   -8   0   JN49ik   1   F4DTL   JN18fp   464   261 
 2012-11-07 19:00   DK7FC   0.475761   -4   0   JN49ik   1   LA4ANA   JO59cu   1162   4 
 2012-11-07 16:48   DK7FC   0.475762   -3   0   JN49ik   1   G8HUH   IO81mg   851   288 
 2012-11-07 07:06   DK7FC   0.475752   -7   0   JN49ik   1   DF2JP   JO31jg   245   327 
 2012-11-07 06:12   DK7FC   0.475762   -27   0   JN49ik   1   DL8YCA   JO31or   276   338 
 2012-11-07 01:24   DK7FC   0.475762   -26   0   JN49ik   1   WE2XGR/2   FN31ls   6099   295 
 2012-11-07 00:48   DK7FC   0.475761   -26   0   JN49ik   1   WG2XKA   FN33ir   5983   298 
 2012-11-06 23:42   DK7FC   0.475761   +11   0   JN49ik   1   PA3ABK/47   JO21it   386   315 
 2012-11-06 23:42   DK7FC   0.475762   +3   0   JN49ik   1   GM4SLV   IP90gg   1366   336 
 2012-11-06 23:42   DK7FC   0.475762   +3   0   JN49ik   1   OR7T   JO20ix   332   303 
 2012-11-06 23:36   DK7FC   0.475750   -11   0   JN49ik   1   SM6BHZ   JO57wq   941   12 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   -3   0   JN49ik   1   IK1WVQ   JN44cb   599   184 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   -18   0   JN49ik   1   G0MJI   IO83ni   913   303 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   +3   0   JN49ik   1   OH1LSQ   KP03td   1713   22 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   +5   0   JN49ik   1   DF6NM   JN59nj   175   91 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   -7   0   JN49ik   1   SV2DCD   KN00pl   1401   131 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475762   -13   0   JN49ik   1   PA0O   JO33hg   450   342 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.477262   -8   0   JN49ik   1   SV8CS   KM07js   1617   139 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.478562   -9   0   JN49ik   1   DL1DAM   JO31tn   248   342 
 2012-11-06 23:00   DK7FC   0.475766   -3   0   JN49ik   1   DG3LV   JO53gv   512   14 
 2012-11-06 22:54   DK7FC   0.475761   -15   0   JN49ik   1   G3XBM   JO02dg   669   301 
 2012-11-06 22:54   DK7FC   0.475760   -19   0   JN49ik   1   R3LW   KO54mq   1626   60 
 2012-11-06 22:54   DK7FC   0.475762   +8   0   JN49ik   1   F5WK   JN18hp   452   261 
 2012-11-06 22:48   DK7FC   0.475762   -17   0   JN49ik   1   G6AVK   JO01ho   620   296 
 2012-11-06 22:36   DK7FC   0.475763   -3   0   JN49ik   1   G0KTN   IO81ti   813   289 
 2012-11-06 22:30   DK7FC   0.475762   -7   0   JN49ik   1   PA3FNY   JO22nc   389   321 
 2012-11-06 22:24   DK7FC   0.475761   -24   0   JN49ik   1   WD2XSH/17   FN42pb   5927   294 
 2012-11-06 22:24   DK7FC   0.475762   -9   0   JN49ik   1   G3WCB   IO91rm   694   293 
 2012-11-06 22:18   DK7FC   0.475762   -12   0   JN49ik   1   DL4YHF   JO42fd   302   357 
 2012-11-06 21:42   DK7FC   0.475789   -1   -1   JN49ik   1   DK6NI   JN59ln   163   84 
 2012-11-06 21:24   DK7FC   0.501562   +5   0   JN49ik   1   M0PPP   IO93gm   837   307 
 2012-11-06 20:42   DK7FC   0.475762   -24   0   JN49ik   1   DD7PC   JN49ax   77   322 
 2012-11-06 20:36   DK7FC   0.501562   +2   0   JN49ik   1   M0PAF   IO93gm   837   307 
 2012-11-06 20:06   DK7FC   0.475762   -12   0   JN49ik   1   LA3JJ   JO59bh   1102   4 
 2012-11-06 20:06   DK7FC   0.475669   -3   0   JN49ik   1   DL8WX   JO30we   103   325 
 2012-11-06 19:54   DK7FC   0.475761   -24   0   JN49ik   1   RX3DHR   KO94ks   2125   62 
 2012-11-06 19:36   DK7FC   0.475762   +5   0   JN49ik   1   DJ7KA   JO61pb   373   59 
 2012-11-06 19:36   DK7FC   0.475764   +13   0   JN49ik   1   DF8UO   JN48ex   56   206 
 2012-11-06 19:36   DK7FC   0.475762   +8   0   JN49ik   1   PI4THT   JO32kf   336   338 
 2012-11-06 19:36   DK7FC   0.475761   +11   0   JN49ik   1   DL1DBC   JO41bi   217   349 
 2012-11-06 18:42   DK7FC   0.475761   +7   0   JN49ik   1   F59706   JN07th   574   248 
 2012-11-06 18:42   DK7FC   0.475704   -18   1   JN49ik   1   DD5CF   JO30nq   179   321 
 2012-11-06 18:30   DK7FC   0.475762   +6   0   JN49ik   1   DF1VB   JO31sk   237   340 
 2012-11-06 18:24   DK7FC   0.475762   -21   0   JN49ik   1   G4CAO   IO91si   683   292 
 2012-11-06 18:18   DK7FC   0.475767   -1   0   JN49ik   1   G3XVL   JO02nb   608   302 
 2012-11-06 18:00   DK7FC   0.475761   +11   0   JN49ik   1   F6CNI   JN19qb   389   266 
 2012-11-06 17:54   DK7FC   0.475762   +9   0   JN49ik   1   DJ8WX   JO43sv   499   6 
 2012-11-06 17:36   DK7FC   0.475660   +2   0   JN49ik   1   DF2LS   JO53dr   490   12 
 2012-11-06 16:48   DK7FC   0.475644   -12   0   JN49ik   1   DG1LHM   JO53hr   495   15 
 2012-11-06 16:30   DK7FC   0.475642   -22   0   JN49ik   1   DL3ZID   JO53po   497 

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